Superman vs Thor

Started by abhilegend13 pages
abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
@abhi...

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong my friend.

No, being carver makes you wrong.
Let's continue. The last time Superman pulled that ring out on Wraith, this happened.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-15_zps2508415e.png.html

Superman tells Wraith that the the ring affects him the same way Kryptonite affects Superman.

We all know that.

Then Superman nearly beat him in a couple of punches.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-18_zps9fd62cb1.png.html

That too.

You know, the same guy that is superior to him in every way. Glad you admitted the ring played it's part though. Picture it like this. Imagine someone throwing kryptonite down Superman throat or waving kryptonite around Superman while fighting someone that is either your equal, or extremely powerful.
That's what happened here.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987258/5879606.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987260/5671047.jpg.html

Do you know how to look at scans? Superman took several punches from Wraith while he was using kryptonite radiation to weaken superman.

Would you consider that a fair fight abhi (please say yes, PLEASE SAY IT)? This fight reminds me of the fight where we had a discussion on if Superman was weakened when he faced Cap and you brought up kryptonite playing it's part. You remember that ABHI? So again we have Superman waving the ring at Wraith during their last fight (just like he did in their first fight).
Superman waved it AFTER he beat the shit out of Wraith.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]He took it after he had Wraith at his mercy.

Last three pages before that and he had never any ring in his hands.

Its completely asinine to think Wraith's kryptonite played any part in that fight. Superman was kryptonite poisoned before that fight though.

I posted it already. Those are the screenshots of last three pages of the fight and there is no ring in superman's hands. For the last time. After this, if you ignored the proof and keep pushing your agenda here, I'll report you.

We then have confirmation that the ring is like Kryptonite to Wraith which weakens him. How do we know it weakens him? 1. Superman outright mud stomped him the first time he used it with a couple of punches. Superman admits (while the ring is on his hand like it was during their last fight) that it affects Wraith the same way green kryptonite affects him. 2. Then Superman not only waves it in his face (which again, with my scan above, that's proof of Wraith being weakened with the ring even being out around him) but he throws it down his throat.
After he beat the shit out of him with no ring present.
What if Wraith threw kryptonite down Superman throat ABHI, while waving it around at him before hand. Would you consider it a legit knock out if Wraith koed Superman? Think ABHI? Also, I feel safe at saying we will not see Wraith again since he has kryptonite down his throat. We will wait and see. [/B]
Alright. Reported. Have fun with the lowballing and ignoring proofs.

carver9 Senior Member

@ABHI... I think you are mixing up your arguments. No one is denying Superman didn't wail on Wraith. Read my post. What i am telling you is, Wraith was not koed under Superman own power. The ring played it's part. Yes, Superman had the advantage in that fight, no one is denying that...what YOU are failing to realize is during the end, the ring played a HUGE part. If Superman koed Wraith without the ring being present, you would have a strong argument but it didn't happen like that. Do you not understand this ABHI? What is so hard to grasp here?

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

WHERE'S THE RING?

DARTH POWER Senior Member
Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright. Reported. Have fun with the lowballing and ignoring proofs.

😂

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing which makes unamped Gilgamesh anywhere above Thor level. Because the same hero was stalemated by Hercules too. Just four issues later.

The One Above All transported him back to Olympia and transformed him back to his old self. As he was transforming, it was described by the Eternals as "He's metamorphosing before our eyes being transformed back into that which he was when he walked among us..." Then he started to collapse.... Yeah... Pretty sure he doesn't have the Celestial's "favor" any longer. 🙁

Originally posted by abhilegend

GTFO. Wraith was nowhere affected by kryptonite. Last time Superman used kryptonite on wraith, he beat him in one page. Superman was heavily damaged, weakened by kryptonite instead. And Thor just punched Hero to KO. No skill required to beat someone as strong as you after a long fight.

And yet we know Clark had the ring in his person the whole time.
Yes we know he was briefly blasted by Wraith's kryptonite radioactivity simulation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Hercules isn't skilled enough to beat someone stronger than him too. If he has, please provide ONE example out of sixty years.
Irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend

More like I know how much context Thor fans love to leave out.
Smh. You are one to talk.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Who said he was amped several times? How the **** did you reach at that conclusion?
In the end he was still made far mightier than before.

But yeah...

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WHERE'S THE RING?

Calm down my friend.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-01-16_zps4cf95e8e.png.html

Here.

janus77 Banana Genius

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WHERE'S THE RING?

Wise move, don't ever give it up 'till you get that ring on your finger! 😉

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The One Above All transported him back to Olympia and transformed him back to his old self.
He just removed Hero's armor. There was no mention of his power being removed.
As he was transforming, it was described by the Eternals as "He's metamorphosing before our eyes being transformed back into that which he was when he walked among us..." Then he started to collapse.... Yeah... Pretty sure he doesn't have the Celestial's "favor" any longer. 🙁

He was as strong as he was as hero when he fought Hercules. He was still called as "Hero". The armor was only to guide him as he went blind in Eternals 13.

And yet we know Clark had the ring in his person the whole time.
Which wasn't used by him. As he said, it was a fair fight. And Superman doesn't lies.
Yes we know he was briefly blasted by Wraith's kryptonite radioactivity simulation.
And was beaten into a pulp by Wraith.

Irrelevant.
Lulz.

Smh. You are one to talk.
Yeah, sure.

In the end he was still made far mightier than before.
So? Ikaris said he was still just a little bit weaker than Hero.

But yeah...
celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

You go to such lengths to lowball feats it's exhausting...

Thor also beat a being stated to be 4x his strength without Mjolnir. Skill wise, New 52 Superman can't even touch this one if I delve into it more. Anything you would bring up would pale in comparison. Believe me...

relentless1 Dark Overlord of KMC

Superman is way stronger, he KOs Thor one combo

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You go to such lengths to lowball feats it's exhausting...

Thor also beat a being stated to be 4x his strength without Mjolnir. Skill wise, New 52 Superman can't even touch this one if I delve into it more. Anything you would bring up would pale in comparison. Believe me...


Haha, now accusing me of lowballing now?

You mean the non canon Breaking into comics marvel way where Thor beat Orlog?

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Because it was just a sample script which some writers wrote for marvel.

http://marvel.com/news/comics/11693/preview_breaking_into_comics_the_marvel_way_2

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, now accusing me of lowballing now?

You mean the non canon Breaking into comics marvel way where Thor beat Orlog?

Because it was just a sample script which some writers wrote for marvel.

http://marvel.com/news/comics/11693/preview_breaking_into_comics_the_marvel_way_2


facepalm

Newsrama Interview....

http://www.newsarama.com/4399-in-march-marvel-shows-how-pros-broke-in-and-how-you-can-too.html

"C.B. Cebulski: Yeah, they're not the exact same thing.

Back in the day, the The Official Marvel Try-Out Book was an amazing project to show fans and artists just how comics are made and how it's all physically done and produced, with actual pages for prospective talent to work on. Or "try out" on, I guess.

Breaking Into Comics the Marvel Way will be a little bit different. This will be more of "how to" guide about breaking into comics in this day and age. It will spotlight Marvel's new policies on submissions for writers and artists, offer examples of samples scripts and penciled layouts & pages, talk to established creators on how they got their foot in the door, and most importantly, feature new, IN-CONTINUITY Marvel stories, written by these established writers and illustrated by the 12 new artists I found during my ChesterQuest International Talent Search."

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

Newsrama Interview....

http://www.newsarama.com/4399-in-march-marvel-shows-how-pros-broke-in-and-how-you-can-too.html

"C.B. Cebulski: Yeah, they're not the exact same thing.

Back in the day, the The Official Marvel Try-Out Book was an amazing project to show fans and artists just how comics are made and how it's all physically done and produced, with actual pages for prospective talent to work on. Or "try out" on, I guess.

Breaking Into Comics the Marvel Way will be a little bit different. This will be more of "how to" guide about breaking into comics in this day and age. It will spotlight Marvel's new policies on submissions for writers and artists, offer examples of samples scripts and penciled layouts & pages, talk to established creators on how they got their foot in the door, and most importantly, feature new, IN-CONTINUITY Marvel stories, written by these established writers and illustrated by the 12 new artists I found during my ChesterQuest International Talent Search."


Then the two articles are on an impasse. I would take marvel's official description of the comic.

And the stories were outright out of continuity. For example, one story was What if Magik had teleported New Mutants in Limbo in Inferno crossover. So the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then the two articles are on an impasse. I would take marvel's official description of the comic.

And the stories were outright out of continuity. For example, one story was What if Magik had teleported New Mutants in Limbo in Inferno crossover. So the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.


Impasse?

FFS we have a Marvel editor outright saying it's IN-CONTINUITY stories.

Where in your "article" does it state the stories being non-canon?

Seriously?

🙁

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Impasse?

FFS we have a Marvel editor outright saying it's IN-CONTINUITY stories.

Where in your "article" does it state the stories being non-canon?

Seriously?

🙁


Yeah.

Tom Brevoort said Marvel The End is non canon. Do you agree with that? And the guy said the stories would be in continuity, when nearly every story was blatantly out of continuity.

Are sample scripts canon now? You learn new things every day it seems.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah.

Tom Brevoort said Marvel The End is non canon. Do you agree with that? And the guy said the stories would be in continuity, when nearly every story was blatantly out of continuity.

Are sample scripts canon now? You learn new things every day it seems.


What stories are non-canon? Your only example which was the New Mutants story specifically stated it was another universe.
"Another Asgard. Another time." You yourself said it was a what if storyline for crying out loud.

What a pathetic attempt to discredit by moving goalposts. There are even instances in a few of the stories which include flashback references like WWH images in the Hulk story.

These are finished stories from established writers/new artists and not just sample scripts. Read the article again.

Smell of desperation here is thick.

What a sorry excuse.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What stories are non-canon?
New Mutants/Magik story.
Your only example which was the New Mutants story specifically stated it was another universe.
"Another Asgard. Another time." You yourself said it was a what if storyline for crying out loud.
And? Its still contradicting what the editor said.

What a pathetic attempt to discredit by moving goalposts. There are even instances in a few of the stories which include flashback references like WWH images in the Hulk story.
So? A few stories are canon and few are non canon. What makes you so sure that this particular story was canon? Since we never see or heard from Olrog again and the only thing we know about him that somebody said he was four times stronger than Thor. And then Thor beats him just fine. By using an axe and punching it. Yeah, that's some real proof of skills. By that token I could always use Thor saying that Hyperion hits harder than Mangog.

😬

These are finished stories from established writers/new artists and not just sample scripts. Read the article again.
😂

You are as clueless as always.

Smell of desperation here is thick.

What a sorry excuse.

Your excuses? Yeah, they are hilarious. Let me ask this thing though, what did Olrog do to make you think he was four times stronger than thor? Other than a hyperbolic comment from a young Thor that is.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
New Mutants/Magik story. And? Its still contradicting what the editor said.

So? A few stories are canon and few are non canon. What makes you so sure that this particular story was canon? Since we never see or heard from Olrog again and the only thing we know about him that somebody said he was four times stronger than Thor. And then Thor beats him just fine. By using an axe and punching it. Yeah, that's some real proof of skills. By that token I could always use Thor saying that Hyperion hits harder than Mangog.

😬

😂

You are as clueless as always.

Your excuses? Yeah, they are hilarious. Let me ask this thing though, what did Olrog do to make you think he was four times stronger than thor? Other than a hyperbolic comment from a young Thor that is.


Are you being daft or something. Answer the question? What stories are "blatantly" non-canon other than the specific New Mutants story which specifically states it takes place in another reality?

Again it was stated by a Marvel editor who was in-charge of the whole phukkin project to be canon.

Since you can't skirt out of your own mess, now you go back to lowballing another feat. Typical.

Btw your description of the whole fight is way off..
😬

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Are you being daft or something. Answer the question? What stories are "blatantly" non-canon other than the specific New Mutants story which specifically states it takes place in another reality?

Again it was stated by a Marvel editor who was in-charge of the whole phukkin project to be canon.

Since you can't skirt out of your own mess, now you go back to lowballing another feat. Typical.

Btw your description of the whole fight is way off..
😬


Like I said the new mutants/Magik story is outright non canon. But according to the editor, the stories are all canon. So what's it going to be?

Just like Tom Brevoort said Marvel The End to be non canon. He was the editor of the book too.

"Lowballing a feat". Do you think this makes Hyperion stronger than Mangog?

Statements are fine but you can't just claim that an entirely new character was four times stronger than Thor just because Thor heard it without any feat at all. And then Thor beat him without much effort. That's like having your cake and eat it too. Thor has met someone actually four times stronger than him and that guy beat the living shit out of him.

I'll be waiting for those amazing feats of olrog.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said the new mutants/Magik story is outright non canon. But according to the editor, the stories are all canon. So what's it going to be?

Just like Tom Brevoort said Marvel The End to be non canon. He was the editor of the book too.

"Lowballing a feat". Do you think this makes Hyperion stronger than Mangog?

Statements are fine but you can't just claim that an entirely new character was four times stronger than Thor just because Thor heard it without any feat at all. And then Thor beat him without much effort. That's like having your cake and eat it too. Thor has met someone actually four times stronger than him and that guy beat the living shit out of him.

I'll be waiting for those amazing feats of olrog.


The head of the project stated "In-Continuity" stories. That New Mutants story was a particularly what-if instance. The fact that it specifically described the setting as a different universe makes it clear. It's still canon for its universe isn't it?

Come on Abhi your a smart guy... Read between the lines.

Now where in this fight shows no skill involved? You are talking out of your anus.

Oh btw Thor found out years later that it was Odin who he beat in combat that day wanting to teach him a hard lesson. So basically he disguised himself as a warlord with strength that quadrupled Thor's. With Odin's strength level as Orlog coupled with countless millennia of battle experience, makes the feat that much more impressive. Four times or not, he was above Thor physically when Thor admitted to himself that he was outmatched.