Who is the weakest magic user that can take out Superman

Started by Iskandar4 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend

And Shazam's magic amped punches didn't even slow him down.

How powerful is Shazam as of the New 52, and when did this happen exactly?

He fought a 5-d imp who had the power to destroy creation and beat him.

What's the context behind this as I am skeptical that Superman can outright fight a 5-D imp and beat it with conventional means.

Unless this is like a really weak 5-D imp. How powerful are 5-D imps in the New 52?

Took on a magical blast from a planet destroyer which could've killed several Superman class beings. So no more vulnerable than preboot Superman.

An issue number or scan would be nice.

And he was being nauseous because that demon was draining his powers. Not due to magic IIRC.

It only started draining Superman of power when he started to fight it and held it at bay long enough for Batman to figure out how to banish it. By the end of it Superman needed to be saved by Batman.

Batman v2 #20

As early as Batman v2 #19 the nausea was mentioned long before either Batman or Superman met the demon. It got worse as they got closer to it.

Well, I'M convinced the Shadow is the answer to my question.

Thanks, all!

Originally posted by Iskandar
How powerful is Shazam as of the New 52, and when did this happen exactly?
Shazam is a peer of Superman in new 52 in strength. The fight happened in Justice League 22.

What's the context behind this as I am skeptical that Superman can outright fight a 5-D imp and beat it with conventional means.
He didn't beat it outright. But seeing how he was massively weakened by kryptonite and fought him for an issue straight up, it shows how powerful he is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]While on the other hand Superman is fighting and defeating an evil 5-d imp.

Unless this is like a really weak 5-D imp. How powerful are 5-D imps in the New 52?
That imp was converging every timeline in the multiverse into one and was fighting Superman across all timelines simultaneously. He also had the power to destroy creation. Mxy pulled a whole universe out of his hat. So pretty powerful I say.

An issue number or scan would be nice.

Or he could resist it like he did against Lexus who was shown destroying planets and the blast would've killed Pax Galactica. A single member of Pax was strong enough to break a continent sized worldship apart in a single strike and match Superman in strength.

http://i.imgur.com/xkfT3kF.jpg
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Although he was temporarily KOED, he was unaware that the blast was magical to begin with.

http://i.imgur.com/NGyNqYp.jpg

And Lexus was powerful enough to destroy dozen of planets when he was just learning his powers.

http://i.imgur.com/TdhNlLG.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
And the guys who were about to get killed when Superman saved them from a magical blast? One of them did this to a ship this huge.

http://imgur.com/yI4iyFt
http://imgur.com/wycpZpF

http://i.imgur.com/x72aPPK.jpg

Split it into half with a single strike and kick it away like a damn football!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman also takes several attacks from Multitude, magical weapon from 5th dimensional which killed Mxy's older form in one attack and destroyed 230 worlds instantly.

http://i.imgur.com/tZcjkT0.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/GqSAju0.jpg

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It only started draining Superman of power when he started to fight it and held it at bay long enough for Batman to figure out how to banish it. By the end of it Superman needed to be saved by Batman.
Not a good showing, but not a bad showing. The writer had to use two of superman's weaknesses to neutralize Superman. Preboot Superman has much worse magic showings when he appeared in Batman's comics.

As early as Batman v2 #19 the nausea was mentioned long before either Batman or Superman met the demon. It got worse as they got closer to it.
[/B] That was idiotic. But all it showed that Superman is particularly susceptible to magical draining and that's why the nausea. How else would Batman look better than Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shazam is a peer of Superman in new 52 in strength. The fight happened in Justice League 22.

Okay, all I am see is some punches and physical blows being exchanged between them. Nothing esoteric like soul manipulation.

He didn't beat it outright. But seeing how he was massively weakened by kryptonite and fought him for an issue straight up, it shows how powerful he is.

I'm seeing Superman getting transmuted and shape-shifted by it, and getting beaten like a rag doll until he and a bunch of other people say their name backwards in order to banish it.

That imp was converging every timeline in the multiverse into one and was fighting Superman across all timelines simultaneously. He also had the power to destroy creation. Mxy pulled a whole universe out of his hat. So pretty powerful I say.

Which would be relevant if Superman actually defeated this 5-D imp instead of just banishing it like usual. Or, if Superman displayed an actual immunity to being transmutated into other creatures or into a child. Nothing in these scans show any actual resistance to a 5-D imp's powers.

Not a good showing, but not a bad showing. The writer had to use two of superman's weaknesses to neutralize Superman. Preboot Superman has much worse magic showings when he appeared in Batman's comics.

No, Superman was just dealing with his suspectably to magic at first until after fighting the demon--when it had gotten the upper hand--it started to try eating Superman's soul. Just like it did with one of the kids who summoned it.

The demon was not trying to eat Superman's soul since the moment he entered the building. It was trying to eat Superman's soul once it got the upper hand in their fight.

That was idiotic. But all it showed that Superman is particularly susceptible to magical draining and that's why the nausea. How else would Batman look better than Superman?

Maybe because Batman does not have a demonstrated weakness in regards to magic like Superman does. Also, Superman himself even specifies in Batman v2 #20 that "every time I touch it there's a shudder of pain. My body's rejecting the magic."

Being in the same building as it made Superman nauseous. It's touching it that made him feel actual pain. Neither of these are result of the demon trying to absorb Superman's soul. It's a result of Superman being close to it.

We see when the demon is trying to suck out Superman's soul. It's here: http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20043889/Batman_2011-_020-026.jpg.html

When Batman saves him before the demon succeeds in devouring it. It's considerably different.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/RKznu.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/OAz6K.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/BcwZB.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/Tm0uP.jpg

Raven maybe? She dropped Mr. Majestic like a sack of potatoes.

Originally posted by carver9
http://i.stack.imgur.com/RKznu.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/OAz6K.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/BcwZB.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/Tm0uP.jpg

That would be from Justice League Dark #1.

Also, lol magical teeth.

@Konton,

Those potatoes were obviously not Kryptonian.

Mr. Majestic is a potato?

the problem is that Supes magic resistance usually varies, I've seen him survive getting hit by guys like Shazam but then get owned by low end D and C lister magic users.

Originally posted by Iskandar
Mr. Majestic is a potato?

Not a Kryptonian potato, though.

There's a joke I am missing here.

I have no desire to contribute, but I've loved the discussion here. The Shadow probably doesn't have any business being here, but it's damn fun to see him being argued against Supes.

Faust manipulated Eradicator's powers before, and, in a separate incident, casually stole Flash and Green Lantern's powers. He could almost certainly do the same thing to Superman... if Superman let him live long enough to get close. ermm

Originally posted by Digi
I have no desire to contribute, but I've loved the discussion here. The Shadow probably doesn't have any business being here, but it's damn fun to see him being argued against Supes.

True that lol.

Ha, yes. Blood pressures have risen.

I assume a heat-vision lobotomy from space is undefendable by the Shadow, yes? But at least it requires Supes to be smart/cheap with his powers. If he's dumb, there are some fun Shadow feats being thrown around.

Well this isnt a versus.
The question is who could take him out. Given the chance, by the evidence shown, Shadow could do it.

Originally posted by riv6672
Well this isnt a versus.
The question is who could take him out. Given the chance, by the evidence shown, Shadow could do it.

Ah, I see. So the criteria for victory per the OP is a little different than in a straight-up vs. battle.

👆

Pretty much.

I've seen these "weakest character" threads here, and I answer these threads by the criteria i stated. Some folks dont.
This being my thread, i'm discounting things like Superman blitzing, shooting from space, whats basically a guy with two guns, because some wont admit said guy has some subtle magic that'd work on the kryptonian.