Who is the weakest magic user that can take out Superman · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Iskandar
Okay, all I am see is some punches and physical blows being exchanged between them. Nothing esoteric like soul manipulation.

Well, Shazam's magic is particularly powerful in DCnU. And it shows that he can take magical punches like a champ.
I'm seeing Superman getting transmuted and shape-shifted by it, and getting beaten like a rag doll until he and a bunch of other people say their name backwards in order to banish it.
Well, what do you think he should've done against a 5-D imp. Taking that much punishment from an abstract level magical entity isn't enough for you?
Which would be relevant if Superman actually defeated this 5-D imp instead of just banishing it like usual. Or, if Superman displayed an actual immunity to being transmutated into other creatures or into a child. Nothing in these scans show any actual resistance to a 5-D imp's powers.
Well, he was actually standing there pretty much in one piece at the end of two issue fight with a 5-D imp after he was bombarded with green, red, blue and every flavor of kryptonite there is. A very good showing for his durability.
No, Superman was just dealing with his suspectably to magic at first until after fighting the demon--when it had gotten the upper hand--it started to try eating Superman's soul. Just like it did with one of the kids who summoned it.
And? I said its not a good showing.
The demon was not trying to eat Superman's soul since the moment he entered the building. It was trying to eat Superman's soul once it got the upper hand in their fight.
His presence itself was enough to drain Superman as he was feeling nauseous. Preboot Superman got damn near killed by random vampires and werevolves in Batman Confidential. Magic=low showing for Superman in batman comics.

Maybe because Batman does not have a demonstrated weakness in regards to magic like Superman does. Also, Superman himself even specifies in Batman v2 #20 that "every time I [b]touch it there's a shudder of pain. My body's rejecting the magic."

Yeah, that's silly. But what can you do. If you think he is that susceptible to magic that a human does better than him, Shazam should've killed him with one punch.

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Being in the same building as it made Superman nauseous. It's touching it that made him feel actual pain. Neither of these are result of the demon trying to absorb Superman's soul. It's a result of Superman being close to it.
We see when the demon is trying to suck out Superman's soul. It's here: http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20043889/Batman_2011-_020-026.jpg.html

You are trying too hard on a low showing.

When Batman saves him before the demon succeeds in devouring it. It's considerably different. [/B]

I know.

Originally posted by Iskandar
That would be from Justice League Dark #1.
Also, lol magical teeth.

That was before DCnU Superman's powers were actually defined in any measure. And they were created by a very powerful sorceress in Enchantress.

I take you didn't consider Superman taking attacks from Multitude who destroyed 230 planets instantly.

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by Digi
Ah, I see. So the criteria for victory per the OP is a little different than in a straight-up vs. battle.
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Originally posted by riv6672
Pretty much.
I've seen these "weakest character" threads here, and I answer these threads by the criteria i stated. Some folks dont.
This being my thread, i'm discounting things like Superman blitzing, shooting from space, whats basically a guy with two guns, because some wont admit said guy has some subtle magic that'd work on the kryptonian.

Originally posted by abhilegend
More pointless drivel that really has nothing to do with this thread.

Here's one of those people now.😆

krisblaze Senior Member

Hold up ninjas.

Batman Confidential is canon?

I though the confidential comics weren't canon...

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hold up ninjas.
Batman Confidential is canon?
I though the confidential comics weren't canon...

Only if it helps make abhi's point. Otherwise he'll say its not.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Crimson Avenger could do it.

krisblaze Senior Member

Because Joker looked pretty funky in the Batman comics...

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Crimson Avenger could do it.

The female with the blindfold? Not sure i even remember her powers...

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She's intangible, her guns don't miss (?)/run out of ammo, and she has wounded Superman before.

She also gains the abilities/memories of those she is avenging,and they aren't always innocent.

So, technically, she COULD get Zod's memories etc.

riv6672 Senior Member

Dang, okay. Sweet...👆

Iskandar Restricted

Originally posted by Iskandar
New 52 Superman apparently has resistance against Hector Hammond's telepathy and possession abilities. Need someone to clarify that though.

So, since no one clarified this I decided to look into it myself and it turns out to be a false claim (I remember someone else making the claim in that list the strongest nu52 DC hero thread, not sure who).

Superman #20

It took Orion's mother box to "exorcise" Hector Hammond for the lack of a better word.

Also, I looked into Psi War to see Superman's confrontation with Psycho Pirate.

Action Comics #24

Who also overwhelmed Superman with his psychic abilities. So, Superman's psychic resistance is kind of falling short as well. Note that Psycho Pirate was also fighting Superboy and Dr. Psycho at the same time as well in Superboy #24. So, basically Psycho Pirate was able to psychically overwhelm Superman even with his focus split.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hold up ninjas.
Batman Confidential is canon?
I though the confidential comics weren't canon...

Its canon.

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its canon.

How can it be?

A few years back I think Pr mentioned that all issues were uncanon unless specifically referenced.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Iskandar
So, since no one clarified this I decided to look into it myself and it turns out to be a false claim (I remember someone else making the claim in that list the strongest nu52 DC hero thread, not sure who).
Superman #20

It took Orion's mother box to "exorcise" Hector Hammond for the lack of a better word.
Also, I looked into Psi War to see Superman's confrontation with Psycho Pirate.
Action Comics #24

Who also overwhelmed Superman with his psychic abilities. So, Superman's psychic resistance is kind of falling short as well. Note that Psycho Pirate was also fighting Superboy and Dr. Psycho at the same time as well in Superboy #24. So, basically Psycho Pirate was able to psychically overwhelm Superman even with his focus split.

Well, Psycho Pirate was more powerful than Hector Hammond and Insect Queen put together. Here is a better feat than that.

Superman was immune to Brainiac's TP.

How powerful was Brainiac? Well Lois Lane's TP power were universal level as showed here when Parasite stole her powers.

And those powers are just a fraction of TP powers of Brainiac. "Every person on the planet, every planet in the cosmos, all at once. This is what Brainiac sees every.......". And what Brainiac sees every day fried the mind of a universal level telepath's mind.

So yeah, Superman has low feats. But he has his high feats too.

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
How can it be?
A few years back I think Pr mentioned that all issues were uncanon unless specifically referenced.

Oddly ignored by the guy who quotes posts down to the comma. 😂

Iskandar Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Psycho Pirate was more powerful than Hector Hammond and Insect Queen put together. Here is a better feat than that.
Superman was immune to Brainiac's TP.
How powerful was Brainiac? Well Lois Lane's TP power were universal level as showed here when Parasite stole her powers.
And those powers are just a fraction of TP powers of Brainiac. "Every person on the planet, every planet in the cosmos, all at once. This is what Brainiac sees every.......". And what Brainiac sees every day fried the mind of a universal level telepath's mind.
So yeah, Superman has low feats. But he has his high feats too.

Kind of off-topic but by contrast how powerful would this make Psycho Pirate's telepathy then. At least Xavier level or something?

Greater?

Since, if we take this seriously, this would make bother Hector Hammond for being able to possess Superman and Psycho Pirate who was able to incapacitate Superman with telepathy ridiculously powerful psychics.

Probably Superboy as well because of the fact he could break Psycho Pirate's illusion and had to consciously let Psycho Pirate manipulate his emotions in Superboy #24.

riv6672 Senior Member

I honestly dont have any answers for this...!

Iskandar Restricted

Originally posted by Iskandar
Kind of off-topic but by contrast how powerful would this make Psycho Pirate's telepathy then. At least Xavier level or something?
Greater?
Since, if we take this seriously, this would make bother Hector Hammond for being able to possess Superman and Psycho Pirate who was able to incapacitate Superman with telepathy ridiculously powerful psychics.
Probably Superboy as well because of the fact he could break Psycho Pirate's illusion and had to consciously let Psycho Pirate manipulate his emotions in Superboy #24.

Also, that is a typo.

Both I meant.

riv6672 Senior Member

Ha, yeah i figured! 😄