Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering they are trying to say that Batman surviving a plane crashing from maybe a couple hundred feet while strapped into his seat is an equal durability feat to Cap surviving jumping out of a plane without a chute and that they're using the argument that bullets are harder to see thus they must have been faster than the energy weapons, do you really expect them to admit to how impressive Cap's feats are?
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Originally posted by 80sBaby
True. But Cap, in contrast, took a beating from several specialized SHIELD agents, jumped out of a (very) high-rise window to land on concrete yet still got up quickly and took down a jet fighter with just his shield.
True. But Cap landed on his shield. The shield that absorbs energy/force/impact etc. Is basically a magic plot device that does what ever the writers need it to.
Which of course is some thing I already mentioned. So I had hoped it was clear that my evaluation of Caps durability was sans shield.
If your wondering why. Well because on like Batman's he doesn't have him on it all the time, considering he also uses it as a thrown weapon and even when he is holding it, it doesn't cover all or even most of his body. Yes he's good at using it to defend himself, but it's not the same as a suit of armor, which Cap kinda already has. Though it doesn't seem to be as good as Batman's.
Basically judges Caps durability based on shield feats is like judging Batman's durability based on the damage the Batmobile can take.
Lets go back to the elevator fight for a moment though. Remember that after bring down the rest of the shield agents Cap faced of one on one against Rumlow. Who was landing far more blows then he seemed to early on, indicating that the fight did slow Cap down.
At this point the Batroc and Black Widow vs Winter Soldier are worth mentioning. In both cases "normal" human were able to give Cap or Bucky brief pause. In the case of Batroc when Cap was fairly fresh. Yes he had just fought a skirmish, but not on that took much out of him.
In other words "normals" can slow down Cap under the right circumstances as well.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Hell, in Avengers, Cap went down in the jet with Hawkeye and Black Widow, while not being strapped in and went on to fight a ground war, pretty much solo. He then got blown out a window, landed on a car so hard it caved in the roof and still got up to fight alongside Thor. Then got shot in the stomach and was still ready for more. It was only after all of this did he look anywhere near as wiped as Bruce did after being shot down.
That he did and they are good feats. Of course I never suggested Cap wasn't durable, in fact I believe I said that when it came to soaking this kind of damage Batman and Captain America are about equal. On the other hand Caps gun shot wounds in Winter Soldier suggest that their are clearly kinds of damage Batman is better at taking.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
And you forgot about Cap lifting a motorcycle, with 3 grown women on top, for several USO tours.
Another good feat and yes one I didn't mention. Though it doesn't change much. The feats already posted suggest that Caps got a bit of an edge in raw physical strength.