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Am just adding this here in terms of gadgets; its a quote I had for another thread. Anyways, DCnU Batman's gadgets.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Before or after he's incapacitated by:
Sonic grenades:
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Acid batarangs to the face (against Oglivy, who was amped on a new strain of Venom, ManBat serum and had Poison Ivy armour plating):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3022225-2013-05-01+07-30-34+-+detective+comics+20-013.jpg
Tasers to the face:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3022402-2013-05-01+07-30-37+-+detective+comics+20-014.jpg
Sonic batarangs:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3533330-2013-03-13+07-50-47+-+batman+18-014.jpg
Foam pellets (as morals are still on):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2571043-batman_and_robin_v2_027__crypt_preist_cps_.jpg
Fire batarangs:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3041982-batman+%282011-%29+020-026.jpg
Electric batarangs:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3041979-batman+%282011-%29+020-023.jpg
Oh, plus tasers in his gauntlets which can shoot electricity:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3041000-2013-05-08+07-37-00+-+batman+and+robin+%282011-%29+020-013.jpg
He could just use magnets and stick Wolvy to the floor:
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3526288-batman03_007.jpg
He could just run up the walls/ceiling, and shoot stuff at Wolverine all day:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3534752-2013-06-12+07-28-01+-+batman+%282011-%29+021-011.jpg
Knockout gas:
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3540357-detectivecomics_3_thegroup_004.jpg
Then after all that, he still has his explosives.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am just adding this here in terms of gadgets; its a quote I had for another thread. Anyways, DCnU Batman's gadgets.

So all of that's standard equipment? I don't think so somehow. In some of those cases it's fair to assume that's prep.

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Well, he wasn't shown prepping for it; and when Batman preps, by god do comic writers want us to know it. The Suit of All Sorrows; the Hellbat armour - note how for example I didn't include the Sonic Gun he carried around when going up against the Man Bats.

When Batman preps for a specific opponents, writers usually go into nerdgasms over him, lovingly detailing everything he's strapping on. This was just him going into his belt and chucking stuff out.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, he wasn't shown prepping for it; and when Batman preps, by god do comic writers want us to know it. The Suit of All Sorrows; the Hellbat armour - note how for example I didn't include the Sonic Gun he carried around when going up against the Man Bats.
When Batman preps for a specific opponents, writers usually go into nerdgasms over him, lovingly detailing everything he's strapping on. This was just him going into his belt and chucking stuff out.

You sure about that cos this pretty much implies that he used prep.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3022225-2013-05-01+07-30-34+-+detective+comics+20-013.jpg

When has Batman used any of those gadagets against skilled opponents. It pretty much seems to me standard equipment is batarangs, gas and explosives.

EDIT: Sometimes Batmans prep is simply him bringing stuff he has already made but isn't standard equipment.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Deadline
I think you're beginning to waste my time if you somehow think those scans prove that Batman wins. If so explain to me what I missed.

I know you're wasting my time. But what the heck. I'm in a good mood atm. Cap was the one who used tech to beat Tasky. One on one Tasky beat Cap in their very first fight.
Y'know something not too sure if Frankenstein is a superman level being. Anyway something tells me you might be missing out something Batman doesn't carry Superman level Koing gadgets as standard equipment. One shwoing doesn't prove that he does. In fact I've not seen one example of Batman using his gadgets effectively against skilled opponents. Also you're not telling me what gadget he used cos if it's an explosive Caps shield > Superman.
It was standard tazer. And he was carrying it around several times. But I see a "srank" comment right now.
No he didn't Cap was holding his breath and pretending to be Koed. Also that was indoors, if it was outdoors it's going to be harder for it to work cos all Cap needs to do is hold his breath and move away from it.
Cap was KOED. Shang chi had to save them. And Batman has KOED people outdoors via gas too.
He doesn't need to Bullseye is more accurate and the fact that he doesn't have explosives and gas doesn't change anything. he's more dangerous with what he has.
Yeah, I call bullshit.

No Batman is not more skilled in fact I could argue Cap is more skilled. You're probably basing that on the fact that Batman has said how many martial arts he's mastered, doesn't neccesarily prove anything. For starters Cap has mastered all martial arts.

I don't base that on "martial skills". I base that on how they have fought actual characters with skills. Find me a feat of Cap fighting someone like Karate Kid and call me back. Or fighting the abstract personification of every martial art that EVER existed for two issues straight and surviving.

Oh right, it doesn't counts for Batman.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by Deadline
You sure about that cos this pretty much implies that he used prep.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3022225-2013-05-01+07-30-34+-+detective+comics+20-013.jpg
When has Batman used any of those gadagets against skilled opponents. It pretty much seems to me standard equipment is batarangs, gas and explosives.
EDIT: Sometimes Batmans prep is simply him bringing stuff he has already made but isn't standard equipment.

No prep.

Earlier in the same issue, Oglivy had beaten the crap out of Batman, as he was expecting him to be human still. Penguin rescued him, and he went straight inside the house, hence in the scan you posted, he's still leaning against the doorframe. He didn't (IIRC) go to the Batmobile, or Batcave or whatever, load up on his tech, and come back to the Cobblepot mansion.

Not to mention, earlier in the same issue, Oglivy catches him by surprise by showcasing he's Venom'd up, with bark armour and Man Bat serum. So Batman didn't prepare for Oglivy being anything more than another human kingpin boss.

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Incidentally, it's Detective Comics 20 if you are so inclined.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know you're wasting my time. But what the heck. I'm in a good mood atm. Cap was the one who used tech to beat Tasky.

*sigh* Cap was fighting TM wuth his barehands for most of the fight and still holding his own. All Cap did was hit him over the head with the shield, which is something he could use with the normal shield.

Originally posted by abhilegend

One on one Tasky beat Cap in their very first fight.

Actually I'm not so sure about that TM breifly stunned him then ran. I've seen people got knocked to the ground in comics and comeback.

Originally posted by abhilegend

It was standard tazer. And he was carrying it around several times. But I see a "srank" comment right now.

If it was a standarad tazer then why has he used tazers against weaker characters and then had to go back and make it more powerful to KO a much weaker character. It wasn't a standard taser and even if it was other showing cxontradict how powerful it is.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Cap was KOED. Shang chi had to save them. And Batman has KOED people outdoors via gas too.

He wasn't KOed read it again. Of course hes KOed people indoors that doesn't its going to work on Cap.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, I call bullshit.

You can if you like.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I don't base that on "martial skills". I base that on how they have fought actual characters with skills. Find me a feat of Cap fighting someone like Karate Kid and call me back. Or fighting the abstract personification of every martial art that EVER existed for two issues straight and surviving.
Oh right, it doesn't counts for Batman.

Thats all very inpressive but the fact of the matter we try to look at both characters entire showings and if were going to look at Caps as a whole they are much better. The problem is I've been reading a lot of Batman and Cap and Cap as a whole fights much more dangerous opponents on a more regular basis than Batman and has been doing it for longer.

Cap is more skilled.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No prep.
Earlier in the same issue, Oglivy had beaten the crap out of Batman, as he was expecting him to be human still. Penguin rescued him, and he went straight inside the house, hence in the scan you posted, he's still leaning against the doorframe. He didn't (IIRC) go to the Batmobile, or Batcave or whatever, load up on his tech, and come back to the Cobblepot mansion.
Not to mention, earlier in the same issue, Oglivy catches him by surprise by showcasing he's Venom'd up, with bark armour and Man Bat serum. So Batman didn't prepare for Oglivy being anything more than another human kingpin boss.

Ok the problem is I've bene reading Batman DCnu from the beginning and I don't think I've seen any acid, or tazers. In fact there are lots of exampls of Batman getting the crap beaten out of him without using tazers.

In fact that the only issue ( annual) that I have with him using a tazer is against intelligent goriilas and in fact it didn't even work the first time so he had to go back and upgrade it.

This seems to be the problem. How do you determine standard equipment?

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok the problem is I've bene reading Batman DCnu from the beginning and I don't think I've seen any acid, or tazers. In fact there are lots of exampls of Batman getting the crap beaten out of him without using tazers.
In fact that the only issue ( annual) that I have with him using a tazer is against intelligent goriilas and in fact it didn't even work the first time so he had to go back and upgrade it.
This seems to be the problem. How do you determine standard equipment?

Tasers -

Batman: Dark Knight #6 - he used a taser against Bane:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3894616-batman+tdk+06+page19.jpg

Detective Comics #20 (you've already seen this).

Am sure there are others, but those come to mind. Also, he had them built into his gauntlets. I can look later...

Edit:

Some more:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3903451-batman+and+robin+%282011-%29+-+ra%27s+al+ghul+032-007.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3887336-detective+comics+%282011-%29+032-014.jpg

And you've already seen the Frankenstein one.

So yeah, it seems he's no stranger to using electrical attacks, whether short or long distance.

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tasers -
Batman: Dark Knight #6 - he used a taser against Bane:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3894616-batman+tdk+06+page19.jpg
Detective Comics #20 (you've already seen this).
Am sure there are others, but those come to mind. Also, he had them built into his gauntlets. I can look later...
Edit:
Some more:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3903451-batman+and+robin+%282011-%29+-+ra%27s+al+ghul+032-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3887336-detective+comics+%282011-%29+032-014.jpg
And you've already seen the Frankenstein one.
So yeah, it seems he's no stranger to using electrical attacks, whether short or long distance.

Well if it is standard equipment Cap is losing. I don't wanna give Bats the win but I might have to.

Shabazz916 Senior Member

batman has all that equipment and yet got his back broke... but thats none of my business

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by Shabazz916
batman has all that equipment and yet got his back broke... but thats none of my business

Yea I was gonna mention that and indirectly did. So it seems that even if that is stnadard equipment Batman loses due to CIS.

Shabazz916 Senior Member

i dnt think batman can beat captain america if all things are even... if the writer has no bias... captain america whoops batman's ass

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Originally posted by Shabazz916
batman has all that equipment and yet got his back broke... but thats none of my business

DCnU did? Scans?

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I mean, I've been playing fair and only showing DCnU Bats.

But if we want to bring preboot Batman in, well, feel free to do so. I'll post scans of some of the stupid tech he pulled out. Specifically, Morrison's BatGod lol.

So you're right, it IS none of your business hehe.

But then, I only posted those scans to show how Bats has more tech than what Taskmaster was showing in those scans.

Shabazz916 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU did? Scans?

Bane... duh

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Originally posted by Shabazz916
Bane... duh

In the new 52?

Deadline Junior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In the new 52?

No preNu52 Batman. This is the point I'm and he is making, he has been in millions of situations were he is in dire straits and not pulled any tazers and other stuff.

Batman hadn't been sleeping properly and was tired and still went up against Bane and was just using h2h skills.

Not only that we see him using an explosive earlier on in that arc but didn't use it against Bane, another incident during that arc he was in trouble against Amygadlia, still no tazers. This is why I'm having a hard time accepting it as standard equipment those showings are not the norm and if you're bringing in prerebbot Batman stuff thats even worse.

Supermex NIGHT NIGHT MITCH'S!!

I know it's been done like crazy this fight

Cap's speed edge is to much for Batman one on one.
Add Cap's strength to the mix on top of that speed.