cap has taken down entire teams of cape killers all equipped with tech designed to take down superhumans and he does it casually while holding back
cap completely outclasses beast someone much faster and more agile then Bruce and at least twice as strong as bane
really ice ok fine give me a few minutes to find it lol
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
cap has taken down entire teams of cape killers all equipped with tech designed to take down superhumans and he does it casually while holding backcap completely outclasses beast someone much faster and more agile then Bruce and at least twice as strong as bane
really ice ok fine give me a few minutes to find it lol
So nothing there that counters him unable to see, lol. Try harder.
Lmao at using Beast, though. Note he's got his shield there too - I SPECIFICALLY had magnets that removed his shield 🙂
ok first for it to have any effect you had better completely freeze him solid which would work on about anybody just turning the room cold is going to do nothing
magnetizing something with his Batarang is not disarming anything and now you trying to make it pitch black or something where does it say the fight is happening in darkness quit adding variables trying to find an edge
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ok first for it to have any effect you had better completely freeze him solid which would work on about anybody just turning the room cold is going to do nothing
Lol what?
Or here:
THEN its the net AND grapple line.
THEN its the foam AND ice.
ALL of it, on top of each other.
magnetizing something with his Batarang is not disarming anything and now you trying to make it pitch black or something where does it say the fight is happening in darkness quit adding variables trying to find an edge
No......are you retarded?
My point is that Batman makes it difficult/impossible to see. See scans above. Even in daylight, smoke still works. Note how Batman is even surrounded by brightlights, lol. If not, I guess you ignored my flashbangs:
BTW: Flashbangs work in daylight, lol.
Here's another time he has used them(that's Superman, btw):
As for the magnets, well, did you not put them in the city? Are you telling me there's no metal anywhere in this city for the shield to stick to, even for a split second?
So yeah. Still nothing to counter how a blinded Cap is targeting one of the stealthiest characters in comics, let alone dodging his attacks.
Originally posted by Deadline
Well if it is standard equipment Cap is losing. I don't wanna give Bats the win but I might have to.
You do realise that the post also implies that I think Cap could still win right? I don't like it when you try twist things. It also shows I'm pretty open minded. But for some reason it's a win for you.
This is Batman, WITHOUT using smoke or flashbangs, or any tech, doing his stealth act. Cap wouldn't even find him.
Despite being shot in the back, he disappears from some goons and kidnaps Two Face. IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. WHILST THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIM:
Yah, but those are some no name goons.
How about...Azrael? WHILST AZRAEL IS LOOKING AND TALKING STRAIGHT AT HIM:
Nah. How about Gotham AND Gotham Girl, both of whom are looking at him, and talking at him, and are using their Ultra Vision?
.....
Nah. Gotham and Gotham Girl are nobodies.
How about hiding from the ENTIRE JLA for an hour?
Nah. How about MMH AND Superman, WHILST they're looking at him, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT (also, Aquaman, lol)?
Nah. HOW ABOUT Superman, WW, Zauriel, and THE FRIGGING SPECTRE, lol, in broad daylight?
.........
He literally sneaks up behind them.
And this is all without smoke or blackout bombs or flashbangs. Just Batsy, sneaky sneaky. In some cases, in broad daylight, in front of people.
Originally posted by MrMind
YouTube video
lol yea.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Lol what?
Or here:
THEN its the net AND grapple line.
THEN its the foam AND ice.
ALL of it, on top of each other.
No......are you retarded?
My point is that Batman makes it difficult/impossible to see. See scans above. Even in daylight, smoke still works. Note how Batman is even surrounded by brightlights, lol. If not, I guess you ignored my flashbangs:
BTW: Flashbangs work in daylight, lol.
Here's another time he has used them(that's Superman, btw):
As for the magnets, well, did you not put them in the city? Are you telling me there's no metal anywhere in this city for the shield to stick to, even for a split second?
So yeah. Still nothing to counter how a blinded Cap is targeting one of the stealthiest characters in comics, let alone dodging his attacks. [/B]
ok firstly thats an ambush tactic not a straight battle tactic and its not like cap has not dealt with flash bangs and smoke like a thousand times and second where does this say the battle is in the city? and third even if it was you would have to establish his batarangs created enough of a magnetic force to be able to pull it away from him which you haven't not all magnets are created equal
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ok firstly thats an ambush tactic not a straight battle tactic and its not like cap has not dealt with flash bangs and smoke like a thousand times and second where does this say the battle is in the city? and third even if it was you would have to establish his batarangs created enough of a magnetic force to be able to pull it away from him which you haven't not all magnets are created equal
I really do think you are retarded, lol.
Firstly, I have been asking - again and again - for you to back your claims up with scans. Where are these scans of Cap dealing with smoke so thick, even thermal vision is useless? Of MULTIPLE flashbangs? Of BOTH smoke AND flashbangs TOGETHER?
Moreover, are you questioning Batman - the guy who is all about stealth and ambush - using ambush tactics? Lol. Do you read comics?
Secondly, read my post in this thread:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now, I guess we can use this thread with Alberto's stips, and continue our fruitful discussion.
That was my post starting off this discussion. I even made reference to it in the post YOU just replied to, lol ('did you not put them in the city?'😉
These are YOUR stips:
Both fighters are in character.
Random Encounter, No Prep time, No Prior Knowledge.
Bruce Wayne is Post Crisis, Steve Rogers is regular version (No Hydra Cap)
These combatants are fighting in an generic city, 100 feet apart from eachother and visible.
Wins are by IncapitationPC/New 52 Bats vs 616 Cap
standard gadgets
I then followed up with MULTIPLE scans of Batman disappearing in broad daylight from view, even when people are staring right at him.
Thirdly, I posted scans of an entire group of Rocket Reds being pulled by a single - ONE - magnetic Batarang.
Here is a tiny little pellet that he used against an entire group of men. One pellet. It's not even bigger than a coin.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3526287-batman03_006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3526288-batman03_007.jpg
You're right, not all magnets are created equal. Batman's magnets are incredible.
That's assuming the shield is thrown. If it is NOT thrown, then he just gets grapple lined up. He can't dodge the cable, as he cannot see where it is coming from, thanks to the smoke etc (as you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so).
He cannot break the cable, as it has a 15-ton break limit, and Cap does not have that strength level - certainly not his side deltoids. As you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so.
I have provided MULTIPLE scans of everything I have claimed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I really do think you are retarded, lol.Firstly, I have been asking - again and again - for you to back your claims up with scans. Where are these scans of Cap dealing with smoke so thick, even thermal vision is useless? Of MULTIPLE flashbangs? Of BOTH smoke AND flashbangs TOGETHER?
Moreover, are you questioning Batman - the guy who is all about stealth and ambush - using ambush tactics? Lol. Do you read comics?
Secondly, read my post in this thread:
That was my post starting off this discussion. I even made reference to it in the post YOU just replied to, lol ('did you not put them in the city?'😉
These are YOUR stips:
I then followed up with MULTIPLE scans of Batman disappearing in broad daylight from view, even when people are staring right at him.
Thirdly, I posted scans of an entire group of Rocket Reds being pulled by a single - ONE - magnetic Batarang.
Here is a tiny little pellet that he used against an entire group of men. One pellet. It's not even bigger than a coin.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3526287-batman03_006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3526288-batman03_007.jpgYou're right, not all magnets are created equal. Batman's magnets are incredible.
That's assuming the shield is thrown. If it is NOT thrown, then he just gets grapple lined up. He can't dodge the cable, as he cannot see where it is coming from, thanks to the smoke etc (as you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so).
He cannot break the cable, as it has a 15-ton break limit, and Cap does not have that strength level - certainly not his side deltoids. As you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so.
I have provided MULTIPLE scans of everything I have claimed.
what claim do you want evidence for the only ones i haven't shown scans for is common sense ones as far as you backing up everything with scans bullshit you will show a scan then apply twice as much headcanon to it thats not proving anything feel free to show me batman disappearing right before a skilled fighters eyes in the middle of battle feel free to show me bats disarming anybody on caps physical level with a magnet
Originally posted by cdtm
Not to take.away from an epic beatdown, but:Does this mean he ripped out a perfectly good tooth, to put gas pellets in it?
Yup.
He's also, you know, just in case, because Batman - added acid pellets under his skin. Acid strong enough to dissolve tungsten alloy:
http://i.imgur.com/zbuFykW.jpg
Just because.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
what claim do you want evidence for the only ones i haven't shown scans for is common sense ones as far as you backing up everything with scans bullshit you will show a scan then apply twice as much headcanon to it thats not proving anything feel free to show me batman disappearing right before a skilled fighters eyes in the middle of battle feel free to show me bats disarming anybody on caps physical level with a magnet
Your claim that Cap can detect Batman through smoke and flashbangs.
Smoke that is so thick, even thermal vision is clouded. PLUS flashbangs.
So prove it.
AND THEN, when you have proven that, prove that he can detect Batman, a guy who can disappear from Superman AND Martian Manhunter, right in front of them, in broad daylight. He disappeared from Gotham and Gotham Girl, despite them having Ultra Vision, right in front of them. He snuck up on the SPECTRE, lol.
Cap does NOT have any senses better than Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Spectre etc combined, lol. But if you can prove it, do so.
So three things for you to prove:
1. That Cap can see through thick smoke and flashbangs. Smoke has to be so thick, thermal vision is useless.
2. That he can then detect Batman, who is stealthy enough to - without ANY gadgets - sneak past the Spectre etc
3. AFTER all this, that Cap can break 15-ton cables with his deltoids.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup.He's also, you know, just in case, because Batman - added acid pellets under his skin. Acid strong enough to dissolve tungsten alloy:
http://i.imgur.com/zbuFykW.jpg
Just because.
Your claim that Cap can detect Batman through smoke and flashbangs.
Smoke that is so thick, even thermal vision is clouded. PLUS flashbangs.
So prove it.
AND THEN, when you have proven that, prove that he can detect Batman, a guy who can disappear from Superman AND Martian Manhunter, right in front of them, in broad daylight. He disappeared from Gotham and Gotham Girl, despite them having Ultra Vision, right in front of them. He snuck up on the SPECTRE, lol.
Cap does NOT have any senses better than Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Spectre etc combined, lol. But if you can prove it, do so.
So three things for you to prove:
1. That Cap can see through thick smoke and flashbangs. Smoke has to be so thick, thermal vision is useless.
2. That he can then detect Batman, who is stealthy enough to - without ANY gadgets - sneak past the Spectre etc
3. AFTER all this, that Cap can break 15-ton cables with his deltoids.
i never claimed he could detect him i said he would beat his ass before he ever got the chance its stupid argument oh he is going to beat him with some smoke grenades and flashbangs not like he has been a soldier for years not like he has never dealt with it before or anything give me a break thats the best you can come up with i guess smoke screens and flash bangs i guess thats his kryptonite what happens next batman swoops in and karate chops him in the neck?
tell you what show me batman ever beating anybody anywhere near caps level with some smoke grenades and flashbangs lmao
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
i never claimed he could detect him i said he would beat his ass before he ever got the chance its stupid argument oh he is going to beat him with some smoke grenades and flashbangs not like he has been a soldier for years not like he has never dealt with it before or anything give me a break thats the best you can come up with i guess smoke screens and flash bangs i guess thats his kryptonite what happens next batman swoops in and karate chops him in the neck?tell you what show me batman ever beating anybody anywhere near caps level with some smoke grenades and flashbangs lmao
Oh sweet baby Jesus.
Did you just post Ultimate Cap scans for 616 Cap?
