Satele Shan vs The Exile

Those who dare question my knowledge of KotOR shall be persecuted by Sion the Almighty, our Master and Leader:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I was only 5 years old.
I loved Sion so much, I had all his limited merchandise and video games.
I pray to Sion every night before bed, thanking him for the numerous lifes I've been given.
"Sion is love," I say. "Sion is life."
Meetra Surik hears me and she calls me a fanboy.
I knew she was just jealous of my devotion for Sion.
I call her a mediocre Force user compared to Nyriss.
She murders me and sends me to the ground.
I'm dying now, and my chest hurts.
I lay on the ground and it's really cold.
A power is moving towards me.
I feel something touch me.
It's Sion.
I am so happy.
He whispers in my ear, "this is my nexus."
He grabs me with his rough broken hands and puts me on my hands and knees.
I'm ready.
I spread my Wound in the Force for Sion.
He penetrates my Force Barrier.
It hurts so much but I do it for Sion.
I can feel my barrier tearing as my eyes start to water.
I push against his power.
I want to please Sion.
He chants a mighty ritual as he fills my Wound with energy.
Meetra walks in.
Sion looks her strait in the eyes and says, "It's all Malachor now."
Sion leaves through my hyperspace gateway.
Sion is love, Sion is life.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Numbers matter, and the Star Forge is infinitely larger then the Academy. Fighting through the hundreds of Dark Jedi tallies up as a better feat.

I never said it wasn't impressive. I said it is not as impressive as beating Darth Malak three times on a nexus comparable to Malachor V.

Wait what.

malachor > Star forge.

Traya + 6 Sions > Malak

Academy Solo > Dark Jedi when you have 2 companions.

Originally posted by Selenial
Wait what.

malachor > Star forge.

Traya + 6 Sions > Malak

Academy Solo > Dark Jedi when you have 2 companions.

Don't bother yourself Selenial, i've pointed out a bunch of stuff and he's still as stubborn as ever. lol.

Anyway, i never gave my verdict on this match up. It's a very close match imo, dueling wise, Satele is very skilled, but Meetra can mimic and master a style her opponent uses in mere moments, still i'm much more impressed with Satele as a duelist, so this edge is a small one for Surik. Force Powers wise, i'm leaning with Satele, she's shown us her destructive power with Telekinesis, which doesn't necessarily mean she outstrips the Exile because of that, i'm just much more impressed with her destructive power.

overall, they're very powerful, but because she is not only a great duelist, but also a destructive force to be reckoned with. I'm going to have to say, Satele takes it with some difficulty. That's my opinion anyway.

Traya? Yes. Sion? No. Lolno.

Originally posted by Selenial
Wait what.

malachor > Star forge.

Traya + 6 Sions > Malak

Academy Solo > Dark Jedi when you have 2 companions.

Size of Star Forge > Size of Malachor Academy

3 Malaks + 3 Bastilas > Traya + 6 Sions

Star Forge w/ companions + Infinite Army w/o companions > Academy Solo

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Size of Star Forge > Size of Malachor Academy

3 Malaks + 3 Bastilas > Traya + 6 Sions

Star Forge w/ companions + Infinite Army w/o companions > Academy Solo

Again, Selenial please don't bother yourself with this. It really is of no use trying to change his mind.

Siding with Selenial is lame though. She is the one who says the Exile was weakened by Nathema because she stayed on it for months (she didn't).
She also puts Meetra and Revan Reborn on the same tier since she ignores the Revan novel entirely. You're better off with me and Freshest tbh. 😐

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Siding with Selenial is lame though. She is the one who says the Exile was weakened by Nathema because she stayed on it for months (she didn't).

I'm not siding with anyone dude, I've said my piece, and now i'm just telling her/him to not bother responding to you as it really is of no use.

She also puts Meetra and Revan Reborn on the same tier since she ignores the Revan novel entirely.

LOL i don't blame her for ignoring the novel, it really wasn't what i thought it was going to be, it's bad, but not completely terrible. Also who cares? We all have different views on certain characters. Hell NewGuy01 thinks Saesee Tiin > Kas'im is "not unreasonable" he's entitled to his opinion, just like she/he is(forgive me if I got your gender wrong Selenial). Also you ignore a few things too DarthAnt66 😬

You're better off with me and Freshest tbh. 😐

😂

You continue to confuse me. Your personality changes every day. Today is definitely not among your best.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You continue to confuse me. Your personality changes every day. Today is definitely not among your best.

Ummm.... alrighty then lol, nice...trolling attempt? Lol this thread got derailed fast. let's stay on topic please, this is of no relevance to the thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's Star Forge slaughter>Meetra's Malachor slaughter. I doubt anyone would disagree on this.
Defeating Sion was highly circumstantial, and many others have done it before her (as shown in KotORCG).
Defeating Traya (while being immune to her drain) is not more impressive then beating Star Forge Darth Malak.

Revan had two companions with him and fought through a few dozen Dark Jedi at best almost all the enemies were Sith Troopers and battle droids.

Not to mention Bastila's BM amp(everyone loves to forget that).

Sion had to be thrashed repeatedly for Dun Moch to work so using the circumstance lowball is an uninformed theory at best.

Traya has far more in her arsenal than just giga-drain, if you attempt to state otherwise you are clearly as biased as LeGenD.

Darth Malak was a great duelist but Traya has entire levels of knowledge on top of him as you should full well know.

Also Malachor V > Star Forge as far as the nexus goes, that is canon as well.

Bastila's BM didn't help or hinder Revan throughout any part of the Star Forge. It was all being used on the fleet. She didn't even know Revan was there until he was halfway to her.

Ant's statements are from the SG for the game, which are also canon. Revan fought through armies of the best Jedi the Sith recruited and the "infinite army" of the Star Forge, and that was alone. Everyone of them are above every other Jedi in the Order. For an hour. Stating, "I only saw these enemies in game," doesn't really mean anything. I'd also like to point out that Traya was Malak's subordinate throughout all of KotOR. It's not like she just started existing five years later, thought I still think she grew more powerful at some point.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I'm not siding with anyone dude, I've said my piece, and now i'm just telling her/him to not bother responding to you as it really is of no use.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Ant's statements are from the SG for the game, which are also canon. Revan fought through armies of the best Jedi the Sith recruited and the "infinite army" of the Star Forge, and that was alone. Everyone of them are above every other Jedi in the Order. For an hour. Stating, "I only saw these enemies in game," doesn't really mean anything.

Okay, that really is just BS, The whole "Hour" thing can so easily be interpreted as The Player spending an hour on that level not Revan. It's a freaking Guide for gods sake.

I'd also like to point out that Traya was Malak's subordinate throughout all of KotOR. It's not like she just started existing five years later, thought I still think she grew more powerful at some point.

When...was this ever stated? she was exiled dude. Dear god... like.... okay when was this even stated?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Bastila's BM didn't help or hinder Revan throughout any part of the Star Forge. It was all being used on the fleet. She didn't even know Revan was there until he was halfway to her.

Ant's statements are from the SG for the game, which are also canon. Revan fought through armies of the best Jedi the Sith recruited and the "infinite army" of the Star Forge, and that was alone. Everyone of them are above every other Jedi in the Order. For an hour. Stating, "I only saw these enemies in game," doesn't really mean anything. I'd also like to point out that Traya was Malak's subordinate throughout all of KotOR. It's not like she just started existing five years later, thought I still think she grew more powerful at some point.

Really because she switches the BM to the Republic's side and it isn't stated whether or not it effected Revan, considering it is said to cover the entire battle then i'm inclined to believe it helped Revan.

Traya was never part of the Sith Empire, in not one source is she stated to be involved at all in the Jedi Civil War.

I will always find the Exile's solo of the Trayus Academy which is stated to hold the best the triumvirate had to offer more impressive than the Jedi Strike Team assault on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Siding with Selenial is lame though. She is the one who says the Exile was weakened by Nathema because she stayed on it for months (she didn't).
She also puts Meetra and Revan Reborn on the same tier since she ignores the Revan novel entirely. You're better off with me and Freshest tbh. 😐

I love that the only thing you can use as an argument against me is a slip of the tongue that I conceded immediately. Oh lord, please forgive me for refusing to read that tripe of a "novel" more than once.

And no one's ignoring it, dem Imperial guard feats are badass. You just entirely refuse to believe a very strong and nigh irrefutable theory just because it might lesson your favorite characters claim to the throne of most powerful Jedi in an era...

As far as that theory goes, I got this from Drew himself:

My email:

> I was wondering how much of an effect the Dark Side nexus on Dromund Kaas
> had on characters like Revan, Meetra and others..
> My personal analysis was that because Revan derives his power from the
> Force as a whole he wasn't effected negatively, Nyriss probably got a lot
> of power from the nexus itself.
> However Jedi probably suffer a different story, Meetra was likely hampered
> quite severely by the nexus like Jedi from future adventures on the planet
> did such as Kyle, Jaina and the rest.
> I was hoping to get some insight on how you think it effected their
> abilities.

His reply:
I don't like to get into this much detail; this is the kind of thing I
prefer to let fans debate on message boards and forums. By leaving it open
to various interpretations, I think it makes for a more involved and
spirited discussion.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Drew

So the theory is not just a theory, it's a valid interpretation backed by the inconsistencies in power between the original canonical version of Meetra Surik and the novel version.

So following Leland Chee's advice, our theory has to be correct or it's a conflict in canon(or whatever you want to call it).

Are you Rayla/LadyKulvax? Your views completely and utterly mirror hers.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Are you Rayla/LadyKulvax? Your views are completely and utterly mirror hers. trash.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Are you Rayla/LadyKulvax? Your views completely and utterly mirror hers.

First of all the end of that sentence would be entirely contradictory in the first place.

It also shouldn't be surprising that certain people share certain views every now and again, that theory is hardly a cult one either, a whole crap ton of people on TheForce.net share it.

Also Anthony if that is the best you can do then really I'd stick to Revan wanking and leave other threads be, insults are clearly not your forte.