Originally posted by Bardock42
Bush ordered the removal of troops in Iraq, that's not on Obama.
Proof says you are wrong.
See above video.
Quit making things up, you don't even live here.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Bush ordered the removal of troops in Iraq, that's not on Obama.
Proof says you are wrong.
See above video.
Quit making things up, you don't even live here.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Bush ordered the removal of troops in Iraq, that's not on Obama.
Are you really this brainwashed, it wasn't even Bush. It was an agreement Obama pushed over on Iraq and the military to pull them out. I can't believe how bias and blind you are to the truth. It's really a shame. You don't watch the news as much as you say you do cause you missed this one. 😆
Originally posted by Lestov16
So we got one group of posters criticizing Obama because he dovishly pulled the troops out, and another group criticizing that he's some kind of jingoist warhawk. No wonder the guy can't get a break.
The point is people are lying about facts and trying to alter them to solidify their stance.
He clearly said here and takes credit for pulling troops out, and then he says he didn't. Videos don't lie.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you really this brainwashed, it wasn't even Bush. It was an agreement Obama pushed over on Iraq and the military to pull them out. I can't believe how bias and blind you are to the truth. It's really a shame. You don't watch the news as much as you say you do cause you missed this one. 😆
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Originally posted by Bardock42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Don't wiki me with a rebuttal cause I destroyed your debate. He did what he said he was gonna do, then said he didn't.
Videos don't lie but the people on them do, did he or did he not say he pulled them out, and then say he didn't? I know you wont answer it.
From 2008: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/world/middleeast/17iraq.html
BAGHDAD — Iraq’s cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved a proposed security agreement that calls for a full withdrawal of American forces from the country by the end of 2011. The cabinet’s decision brings a final date for the departure of American troops a significant step closer after more than five and a half years of war. -end snip
Originally posted by Bardock42
He did what Bush ordered. I don't care what political spin he put on it, he should not get credit for removing troops from Iraq, because it wasn't his order, he just bumbled into it.
Nah, what the video said he did is what he did.
He is the president.
I know you didn't watch it, when he came to germany did you shake his hand or something cause it force is strong with you.
I don't even think the removal of the forces from Iraq was a bad thing. It just wasn't something that Obama did, on the contrary, he tried to keep them there, but ultimately wasn't able to safely.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So then Obama is lying, in the video.He said he ended the war in Iraq, then he said he didn't.
It's a catch 22, you lost give up.
You said he didn't end it, he says he did, with his own mouth.
Do you believe everything Obama says, or only when it happens to agree with your, factually incorrect, opinion?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't even think the removal of the forces from Iraq was a bad thing. It just wasn't something that Obama did, on the contrary, he tried to keep them there, but ultimately wasn't able to safely.Do you believe everything Obama says, or only when it happens to agree with your, factually incorrect, opinion?
Because the video proves you wrong. You cant sit here and tell me he tried to keep them there; while previously he was campaigning to remove them, and then after took credit for pulling them out and then now he says it was not his choice.
Bullshit
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I can't believe how bias and blind you are to the truth.
Yes, if only everyone was as unbiased and objective as you, who finds information on completely non biased youtube profiles with "It is very sad that our first African-American President will be judged in history as the most inept, corrupt, wasteful, subversive, destructive and divisive President ever. A man twice elected because of the color of his skin rather than the content of his character." in their "about" section. I can't imagine they have some kind of agenda or anything.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, if only everyone was as unbiased and objective as you, who finds information on completely non biased youtube profiles with "It is very sad that our first African-American President will be judged in history as the most inept, corrupt, wasteful, subversive, destructive and divisive President ever. A man twice elected because of the color of his skin rather than the content of his character." in their "about" section. I can't imagine they have some kind of agenda or anything.
You have a 4 year times span of clips of him saying one thing, taking credit for it, and then when the tough questions come, he denies all responsibility. How is that bias?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Because the video proves you wrong. You cant sit here and tell me he tried to keep them there; while previously he was campaigning to remove them, and then after took credit for pulling them out and then now he says it was not his choice.Bullshit
How does a speech that Obama gives disprove actual legal proceedings that we have evidence for?
You must see how him saying one thing does not prove that it happened. Sure he takes credit for a lot of crap, but we have to look at the facts, and he just doesn't deserve any credit for pulling troops out of Iraq, that was Bush's and the Iraqi government's doing.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have a 4 year times span of clips of him saying one thing, taking credit for it, and then when the tough questions come, he denies all responsibility. How is that bias?
The problem TI is that you are stating you are unbiased and judging off straight facts, yet you consistently get your facts from extremely right wing propagandists. Needless to say, don't be surprised that your conclusions are coming under intense scrutiny.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have a 4 year times span of clips of him saying one thing, taking credit for it, and then when the tough questions come, he denies all responsibility. How is that bias?
Do you even read things that people post, or just respond to what you want them to say? I didn't say it's biased to show hypocrisy when it occurs, but if you're going to cite a right wing shill video page with an obvious agenda don't get pissy when someone points out how unreliable such sites are. They have an agenda to cater to people who hate him already and so will just show people what they want to see there. This isn't a reliable way to get information and shows just how little you care about actual facts, rather than some BS reinforcing your own opinions.
Your pathetic attempts at retorting Bardock's arguments by claiming they aren't worthwhile simply because he doesn't live here is ridiculous and shows that you frankly aren't even worth having a conversation with because you clearly don't possess the mental capacity to actually consider what people are saying and instead just yell "YOU'RE FOREIGN, YOU DON'T KNOW" like an idiot.
Originally posted by Bardock42
How does a speech that Obama gives disprove actual legal proceedings that we have evidence for?You must see how him saying one thing does not prove that it happened. Sure he takes credit for a lot of crap, but we have to look at the facts, and he just doesn't deserve any credit for pulling troops out of Iraq, that was Bush's and the Iraqi government's doing.
So when its good for him to take credit for it and run with it for a campaign to win an election and re election, its ok to run on lies. Then when those lies catch up to you, its not a lie cause it really wasn't his fault, is this what you are saying or implying?
Originally posted by Lestov16
The problem TI is that you are stating you are unbiased and judging off straight facts, yet you consistently get your facts from extremely right wing propagandists. Needless to say, don't be surprised that your conclusions are coming under intense scrutiny.
Did Obama say those things or not. Yes or no.