What has goku lifted that suggests that he could lift 200 quintillion tons hes obviously not as physically strong as superman
Also carver just because hes never destroyed a planet doesnt mean that he cant same for goku both havent destroyed planets but have shown feats that prove they are capable of doing so.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Can do, but you know that this is composite Supes right? OP stated both characters get all feats available, and neither of us would need to discuss a pre/post/Nu Supes with no limits on whats avalible.That small one when Goku first met Roshi, which is somehow the reason EoS Goku is meant to outclass Superman is raw strength.
Don't think that's enough to say Goku is stronger than Superman but looking at his strength ft as a kid and knowing that he became significantly more powerful during Z could be proof though. Like his fight against Tao. It's obvious Goku became far more powerful and stronger than Tao. To the point that he could probably blow him up with a finger hit. Do i need to explain how strong Tao is?
Yes, Goku is stronger than Tao. The issue is, as you know, as we don't assume things all we can say when in-verse scaling is that in this situation Goku is Tao's strength+. Later gaining his own via kicking Freeza around, and finally having strength of S3Gotenks+.
No matter what synonyms we use to say how much his physical strength is above, that's the extent. We can't label further than thism.
Unless that scene in BoG was more impressive. Can't remember.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes, Goku is stronger than Tao. The issue is, as you know, as we don't assume things all we can say when in-verse scaling is that in this situation Goku is Tao's strength+. Later gaining his own via kicking Freeza around, and finally having strength of S3Gotenks+.No matter what synonyms we use to say how much his physical strength is above, that's the extent. We can't label further than thism.
Unless that scene in BoG was more impressive. Can't remember.
Don't disagree and I never made the claim that he could annihilate a planet with a punch and Superman doesn't think he has the strength to destroy one either...
What i do know is that Goku is strong enough to hurt him.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Which would directly go against thode scientists stating he can bench the earths weight for 5 days while exerting the same force a person uses walking a few miles. He has the muscle.
Probably since that same Scientist that measured his bench pressing showing also indicated issues later that his punches when he was fighting H'el was >>>> his bench pressing strength and those punches were only mountain busting. Let me know if I need to post scans.
Recently Superman and J'onn moved Brainiac's Mothership, which was so vast that the earth looked like a marble in comparison to it. So even though we can only credit Superman with moving half of the ship, it still qualifies as a >>> planetary feat.
Even more recently, Superman flew through multiple black holes, and was left a bit tired/drained afterward, but otherwise none the worse for wear.
Point: Goku isn't beating someone with Flash-level speed/perceptions/reactions, who is strong enough to push around planetary+++ masses, durable enough to tank black holes, etc. etc.
Originally posted by Galan007
Recently Superman and J'onn moved Brainiac's Mothership, which was so vast that the earth looked like a marble in comparison to it. So even though we can only credit Superman with moving half of the ship, it still qualifies as a >>> planetary feat.Even more recently, Superman flew through multiple black holes, and was left a bit tired/drained afterward, but otherwise none the worse for wear.
Point: Goku isn't beating someone with Flash-level speed/perceptions/reactions, who is strong enough to push around planetary+++ masses, durable enough to tank black holes, etc. etc.
Small correction to Galan post. He just came from the sun with MM to get an amp and nothing was stated that he lost it before pushing the Brainiac ship.
He was Superdoomed when he traveled inside of the Black hole. Wasnt standard Superman and he has been hurt by less, even at Superdoom levels.
Flash speed?
He appeared to have expended any extra energy he gained from the sun, when he released that MASSIVE blast of HV. That's why he went so close to the sun in the first place--so he could power up that blast.
I don't remember it being stated that the SuperDOOM virus boosted Clark's durability.
Yes, Flash-level speed.
Originally posted by Galan007
He appeared to have expended any extra energy he gained from the sun, when he released that MASSIVE blast of HV. That's why he went so close to the sun in the first place--so he could power up that blast.I don't remember it being stated that the SuperDOOM virus boosted Clark's durability.
Yes, Flash-level speed.
He shot the blast while still at the sun. How do we know he expended all of his amp with that blast?
😐 There were plenty reference that the Doomsday virus amped Superman. Also, it's unusable since it wasn't Superman completely.
Flash like speed? Where are you getting this from?
Originally posted by carver9How do we know he didn't? 🙂
He shot the blast while still at the sun. How do we know he expended all of his amp with that blast?😐 There were plenty reference that the Doomsday virus amped Superman. Also, it's unusable since it wasn't Superman completely.
Flash like speed? Where are you getting this from?
I asked for evidence that it amped his durability exclusively. 🙂
Comics. 👆
Originally posted by carver9Sure, but I'd better ser the guy basically paraphrasing "your punches are below your lifting strength".
Probably since that same Scientist that measured his bench pressing showing also indicated issues later that his punches when he was fighting H'el was >>>> his bench pressing strength and those punches were only mountain busting. Let me know if I need to post scans.
Otherwise it's still undeniable that the physical aspect of the two can't be compared. Town level strikes to effortless planetary strength and all.
Originally posted by Galan007
How do we know he didn't? 🙂I asked for evidence that it amped his durability exclusively. 🙂
Comics. 👆
Galan, the ft is questionable. You don't have any evidence that the amp wasn't present since he did amp himself before shooting the blast and he was still at the sun when he did it. The ft is questionable. Also, when has heat vision exerted Superman's power?
It was stated plenty of times. Hell, it was stated that Superman wasn't strong enough to fight Brainiac which is the reason he let Doomsday take control. I'm pretty sure you knew this though. And that wasn't the only time either.
Well, you're wrong.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sure, but I'd better ser the guy basically paraphrasing "your punches are below your lifting strength".Otherwise it's still undeniable that the physical aspect of the two can't be compared. Town level strikes to effortless planetary strength and all.
I don't need to post anything saying it's below his lifting ft since A). At one point it states he benched Earth and...B). The second time his strength was measured by the same Scientist, she states "he is exerting more power than before" and when it was measured, it was only mountain busting.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't need to post anything saying it's below his lifting ft since A). At one point it states he benched Earth and...B). The second time his strength was measured by the same Scientist, she states "he is exerting more power than before" and when it was measured, it was only mountain busting.
sp holds back all the time maybe he wasnt tryna destroy the earth
Originally posted by yungz22
sp holds back all the time maybe he wasnt tryna destroy the earth
"Throwing punches that could crush mountains. He's NOT HOLDING BACK and his power EXCEEDS that of the last recording".
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20355739/10-11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20355740/12.jpg.html
Compared to mountain busting and his power exceeded that of the last recording. States right there in the scan he wasn't holding back.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Hasn't it been shown several times that Supes unleashes a full on punch at someone and the collateral damage isn't at a planetary level? Like, in all incantations?Or are we saying we just want to outright ignore the whole feat? (Suddenly its not so black and white, eh)?
Full all out punches=mountain busting per narration. Can't get any clearer than this.
