superman vs goku

Started by Galan00724 pages

When was it stated that Piccolo's PL after fusing with Nail was only 800k? I ask because after entering his first transformation, Frieza states: "At the very least my fighting strength has gone OVER 1,000,000!":
http://i.imgur.com/3kDyywB.jpg
...Which means that his PL wasn't capped at 1m--it was probably more around 1.2m or so.

Anyway, this is important, because Piccolo(post-Nail fusion) and first form Frieza were equals. Heck, at one point Vegeta noted that Piccolo was even stronger:
http://i.imgur.com/C3pQA7B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UQv7EjH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J1sOZ3K.gif

Point: I doubt Piccolo would have done so well if his PL were a few hundred thousand below Frieza's. /shrug

Hadnt goku and vegeta proven power levels to be obsolete time and time again

Originally posted by yungz22
sp holds back all the time maybe he wasnt tryna destroy the earth

No no. If Goku supporters can't use this neither can you.

Originally posted by Galan007
When was it stated that Piccolo's PL after fusing with Nail was only 800k? I ask because after entering his first transformation, Frieza states: "At the very least my fighting strength has gone OVER 1,000,000!":
http://i.imgur.com/3kDyywB.jpg
...Which means that his PL wasn't capped at 1m--it was probably more around 1.2m or so.

Anyway, this is important, because Piccolo(post-Nail fusion) and first form Frieza were equals. Heck, at one point Vegeta noted that Piccolo was even stronger:
http://i.imgur.com/C3pQA7B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UQv7EjH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J1sOZ3K.gif

Point: I doubt Piccolo would have done so well if his PL were a few hundred thousand below Frieza's. /shrug

If a character's power level is not stated in the Manga, people shouldn't use the PLs in magazines or official dazzashin?(whatever the feck their called) issues. They never make ANY sense.

The Daizenshuu PL's and multipliers are official/canon and actually do make sense--some thought was definitely put into them. That being said, I don't think a Daizenshuu PL was ever given for 'Nailccolo'(and if it was, I have never seen it.) What I can be sure of, however, is that his PL was undoubtedly > 800k, based on his fight with 1st form Frieza.

who came up with the daizenshu like who wrote it lol.

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Well, as far as speed goes, I didn't know about those feats, so yes, I have to say that Superman is faster.
Thanks for sharing them. 👆
Anyway, let me say that the main "problem" of DB is the fact that AT didn't bother about giving numerical infos and about maths, contrariwise to what happens in comics, and that's why often DBZ fans must resort to non official calculations.
Anyway, just to share this, going by calculated numbers, it turned out that CG Ssj2 Gohan possess a reaction time in the order of tenths of picoseconds, and during the Boo saga (and later in BoG) the characters become even massively faster than that.
So yes, regardless of Superman specifically, they are enormously fast in short range and fighting speed.

Regarding energy projection, I didn't specifically mean that in pure power terms, but more as a variety of options.

Finally, regarding fighting abilities: I know and agree about Superman possessing lots of styles, but you are limiting Goku too much here.
He trained under Master Roshi, Karin, Kami, King Kai, trained specifically in heaven for 7 years and that's a born fighting genious.
I don't think that Superman can match him here, just watch them fight and you'll understand what I mean.

Every ft he named is invalid. The Femto is hyperbole and was never achieved.

He built the city under a Blue Sun which amps all of his abilities to unknown levels...even grants him some sort of matter manipulation.

Now he does see particle moving around at light but that isn't combat speed.

Every ft he named has context...every last one of them. As him to show you those combat fts.

http://youtu.be/zexXH3lS8Uw

For reference

Originally posted by chasedown
who came up with the daizenshu like who wrote it lol.

Akira Toriyama.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Since when did we swap out cannon for non cannon around here, this place used to always be cannon>non cannon. If its changed, who changed it?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Since when did we swap out cannon for non cannon around here, this place used to always be cannon>non cannon. If its changed, who changed it?
goku will win here

Superman wins 10/10. Goku even at his best isn't there yet.

Goku stomps.

Originally posted by chasedown
http://youtu.be/zexXH3lS8Uw

For reference

Originally posted by yungz22

15 suns exploding in his face? WTF.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku stomps.

Death battles say you are wrong.

Originally posted by yungz22

Don't know why you posted that since Superman doesn't fight anything like that, wouldn't withstand those attacks the way he did, and the fts mentioned was all wrong...even for Goku. Also this...

I can post stuff like that as well. To bad mine was published in a book whereas yours was made on youtube.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Death battles say you are wrong.

Wizard, a more reliable source says your wrong.

Stats > a story they wanted to tell.

Hell, even the stats in the vid greatly amped Goku and he still lost.

Originally posted by carver9
Wizard, a more reliable source says your wrong.

I like Goku and Supes equally, however Goku cannot take that kinda punishment, too add, Supes never runs out of power. Goku does..

Originally posted by BloodRain
Stats > a story they wanted to tell.

Hell, even the stats in the vid greatly amped Goku and he still lost.

It really didn't amp goku and the video knew nothing of both.