Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah.Well I think its a fallacy to say that a DC member is comparable to a padawan as Vader is to a Master. Remember that he hardly stomped An'ya Kuro or Obi-Wan and people on his level (Marek) had good fights against Council-level opponents. And yeah, I think that if you can take out a group of people who have the same total power as 1 person then you can take them out too. Regardless though, it would kick the shit out of them enough that he'd be able to pwn them afterwards. Plus I was more thinking about my original point: Mindhaxx.
The nexus doesn't matter, they were all Sith....
I wonder if you'd still be this skeptical if we were talking about Traya smacking around/killing the Council or killing those Sith Assassins. 😉
An'ya Kuro, the ***** who could ****ing teleport? And Obi-Wan, the greatest Soresu master in history, against ANH Vader? Noting ofc how shit ANH Vader is, it's a testament to his prowess that he actually managed to stalemate Kenobi.
Marek increased exponentially, to say he had good fights with Council members is a joke. Shaak Ti was on a Light Side Nexus, in control of a Saarlac and on a planet that gave her species of Jedi an unimaginable amp and still lost. Marek stomped council members...
And I don't believe that, personally, it just doesnt make sense to me.
As for the Nexus, not really the same when prep is involved...
And sue me, Vitiate is constantly overrated and sucked off on literally every forum in some form or another (Lightsaber master cause reasons, really Neph?) and this is the first forum where Traya isn't abhorrently underrated.... Still, no I wouldn't say Traya would beat these two. In a three way duel she'd win, (We had a battlezone about that) but not a 2v1...
Again being "council level" says nothing about the accomplishments of party members, and with the addition of a nexus or prep its not really as great of a feat as what Vader or Kun have done on their own. If Vitiate had killed an entire council full of of fighters like Baras or Nox it might mean something. But given that its just a rank and they have no showings its a meaningless comparison to what Vader or Kun have done
Originally posted by Selenial
An'ya Kuro, the ***** who could ****ing teleport? And Obi-Wan, the greatest Soresu master in history, against ANH Vader? Noting ofc how shit ANH Vader is, it's a testament to his prowess that he actually managed to stalemate Kenobi.Marek increased exponentially, to say he had good fights with Council members is a joke. Shaak Ti was on a Light Side Nexus, in control of a Saarlac and on a planet that gave her species of Jedi an unimaginable amp and still lost. Marek stomped council members...
And I don't believe that, personally, it just doesnt make sense to me.
As for the Nexus, not really the same when prep is involved...
And sue me, Vitiate is constantly overrated and sucked off on literally every forum in some form or another (Lightsaber master cause reasons, really Neph?) and this is the first forum where Traya isn't abhorrently underrated.... Still, no I wouldn't say Traya would beat these two. In a three way duel she'd win, (We had a battlezone about that) but not a 2v1...
I think you're overrating Marek, and where was it stated that Felucia was a light side nexus? What proof do you have that Marek improved that much in power?
Oh, and if you are interested, there is respect thread for Kreia on ComicVine. It seems well done to me
Comicvine sucks. Don't go there!
Originally posted by Selenial
An'ya Kuro, the ***** who could ****ing teleport? And Obi-Wan, the greatest Soresu master in history, against ANH Vader? Noting ofc how shit ANH Vader is, it's a testament to his prowess that he actually managed to stalemate Kenobi.Marek increased exponentially, to say he had good fights with Council members is a joke. Shaak Ti was on a Light Side Nexus, in control of a Saarlac and on a planet that gave her species of Jedi an unimaginable amp and still lost. Marek stomped council members...
And I don't believe that, personally, it just doesnt make sense to me.
As for the Nexus, not really the same when prep is involved...
And sue me, Vitiate is constantly overrated and sucked off on literally every forum in some form or another (Lightsaber master cause reasons, really Neph?) and this is the first forum where Traya isn't abhorrently underrated.... Still, no I wouldn't say Traya would beat these two. In a three way duel she'd win, (We had a battlezone about that) but not a 2v1...
Who wasn't even on the Council, which means Vader sucks tru fax. And please, Obi-Wan was old and waaaay out of practice. He was pretty shite. Just like Vader.
Eh, it wasn't really ever made clear that Marek increased THAT much in TFU. Its more accepted fanon to explain how he goes from fighting Kota to Vader. And the only council members Marek stomped were the junk mannequins that crazy goblin built.
Does it not make logical sense? If you can exceed 4 2's then why not an 8?
But what if the dark council was also prepped???? Also nah.
I never said he was a lightsaber master, just that its ridiculous to think that a being of his gargantuan amounts of power can't amplify his physical stats to respectable levels and baseball-bat swing his way through Jedi Knights. I highly doubt that "Force Speed" isn't in his unfathomable well of force knowledge or that he has a padawan-esque grasp of it. Also, Vitiate was pretty much conceived as a character meant to be sucked off. I mean he ate 8000 Sith Lords and is immortal and 1400 years old and one-shots Dark Councils and Revan and Malak and pwned a Strike Team and blah blah blah. Theres a reason his skin is so white in TOR and it isn't darkside corruption, if you know what I mean. :winku:
And you misunderstand, I was wondering if you'd question her feats like you do Vitiates, not whether she'd beat these guys. She also was on a nexus (when she killed those assassins). Its also unclear if her victims were defending themselves. The numbers of the victims might also not indicate her chances against more advanced opponents. Of course, I give her full credit for these things but still I am lecturing you on DOUBLE STANDARDS.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
I think you're overrating Marek, and where was it stated that Felucia was a light side nexus? What proof do you have that Marek improved that much in power?Oh, and if you are interested, there is respect thread for Kreia on ComicVine. It seems well done to me
Marek incinerated Stormtroopers with a force repulse, he's not a mook.
I think it was the novel? I dunno, the planet is a nexus of force energy, and it was described Somewhere that Shaak Ti's presence had turned the entire planet towards the light via the Felucians force alignment.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said he was a lightsaber master, just that its ridiculous to think that a being of his gargantuan amounts of power can't amplify his physical stats to respectable levels and baseball-bat swing his way through Jedi Knights. I highly doubt that "Force Speed" isn't in his unfathomable well of force knowledge or that he has a padawan-esque grasp of it. Also, Vitiate was pretty much conceived as a character meant to be sucked off. I mean he ate 8000 Sith Lords and is immortal and 1400 years old and one-shots Dark Councils and Revan and Malak and pwned a Strike Team and blah blah blah. Theres a reason his skin is so white in TOR and it isn't darkside corruption, if you know what I mean. :winku:And you misunderstand, I was wondering if you'd question her feats like you do Vitiates, not whether she'd beat these guys. She also was on a nexus (when she killed those assassins). Its also unclear if her victims were defending themselves. The numbers of the victims might also not indicate her chances against more advanced opponents. Of course, I give her full credit for these things but still I am lecturing you on [b]DOUBLE STANDARDS.
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You kind of did say he was a master... Btu I aint opening that argument up again.
And I do question her feats, killing 8 assassins in an instant doesnt mean she can do the same to Sion. The fact that she force chokes sion like a puppy indicates she can do it to him.
I don't really have to question her feats because the fact is, despite only appearing in one game and a few sourcebooks, we know more about her powers than Vitiates.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Marek did that in the non-canon trailer. That scene never occurred in the 1st or 2nd Force Unleashed storylines.You're right about the nexus though.
As per the old canon rules (Which are still in place for determining Legends continuity) anything branded with the name Star Wars and released under the brand of any Lucasfilm subsidiary is C-Canon.... So yes, it happened.
It's the same exact reason that the Return, Deceived and Hope trailers are all canon...
Originally posted by Selenial
Marek incinerated Stormtroopers with a force repulse, he's not a mook.I think it was the novel? I dunno, the planet is a nexus of force energy, and it was described Somewhere that Shaak Ti's presence had turned the entire planet towards the light via the Felucians force alignment.
Never said that he was a mook. His clone however, is far more powerful (heck, he is actually even above Plagueis) and that feat was done by him (that's in the TFU2 Snow trailer), not Marek. For that matter the clone also vaporized stormtroopers with nothing but a short burst of Lightning.
Originally posted by Selenial
As per the old canon rules (Which are still in place for determining Legends continuity) anything branded with the name Star Wars and released under the brand of any Lucasfilm subsidiary is C-Canon.... So yes, it happened.It's the same exact reason that the Return, Deceived and Hope trailers are all canon...
But it couldn't possibly have happened. Theres no scene in TFU2 where that happens or opportunities for it to have taken place. I mean, you might as well say this trailer happened too. I mean, isn't there another trailer showing the clone escaping that directly contradicts how he actually escapes in the game?
Naw, they're canon because they were built off of to be integral parts of the lore. Those scenes are referenced multiple times as having occured. The force unleashed trailer are non-diegetic and shit. They're just fancy trailers.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But it couldn't possibly have happened. Theres no scene in TFU2 where that happens or opportunities for it to have taken place. I mean, you might as well say this trailer happened too. I mean, isn't there another trailer showing the clone escaping that directly contradicts how he actually escapes in the game?Naw, they're canon because they were built off of to be integral parts of the lore. Those scenes are referenced multiple times as having occured. The force unleashed trailer are non-diegetic and shit. They're just fancy trailers.
So your opinion > Lucasarts, Lucas, and everyone that works there?
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Originally posted by NargarothDarth Karrid, a DC master, got stomped in seconds by Gnost-Dural while she was on a dark side nexus.
No, they couldn't, even as a team, or at least not easily. Those 12 Sith Lords are among the most powerful in the empire so they aren't cannon fodder.Vitiate, however has never displayed that kind of power (the "flash of light"😉 in combat, even when it would have clearly been useful (unless someone argues that Vitiate underestimates his opponents THAT much) and that's why the team should take this.
Clearly not all of them are that great.
Originally posted by Selenial
As per the old canon rules (Which are still in place for determining Legends continuity) anything branded with the name Star Wars and released under the brand of any Lucasfilm subsidiary is C-Canon.... So yes, it happened.It's the same exact reason that the Return, Deceived and Hope trailers are all canon...