Question for Muslims
Why is your beliefs and practices so violent against non Muslims. Also why do you discriminate against women? Considering western culture and most of the world think how you treat women, they consider the men of Islam pigs, but you won't eat bacon because its unclean. Isn't the whole religion unclean as well.
Explain
i'm not muslim. just want to say a few things.
1. depending on who you talk to, the quran can be interpreted as not condoning any sort of violence by muslims on innocent and non-threatening non-muslims.
2. with the women thing... i dunno. i was in a relationship with a muslim girl for a long time and basically the impression she gave me is that they (muslim women) don't see it as oppression but rather god giving different roles to the different sexes. she would always say there are things a woman is entitled to that a man isn't and vice versa. though my honest opinion is that the men sort of got the better end of the stick in that deal and that's probably cause the religion was made by men.. just like any other.
3. they don't eat pork, jews also don't eat pork, and there are plenty of arbitrary folk tales to explain why. it's not rational.
Re: Question for Muslims
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why is your beliefs and practices so violent against non Muslims. Also why do you discriminate against women? Considering western culture and most of the world think how you treat women, they consider the men of Islam pigs, but you won't eat bacon because its unclean. Isn't the whole religion unclean as well.
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Originally posted by Astner
So the religion is unclean because its scripture doesn't adhere to western cultural standards? Christianity too promotes violence and chauvinism, so how is that any different?
I guess I see it differently as Christianity isn't still going around and beheading people like we are in mid evil times.
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Originally posted by Astner
Christianity has its fair share of extremists as well. The vast majority of Muslims live peaceful lives.
Both the Bible and the Quran contain unsettling prescriptions for how a man should treat his wives and slaves, but the Quran devotes entire sections to this and whereas most Jewish and Christian communities have long since turned away from these teachings from the Torah/Bible, the most conservative teachings of the Quran are often still in full force.
For a while now I've come to believe that it's simply a matter of time. Christianity has had five centuries more time to mellow out than Islam has.
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Originally posted by Lestov16
You've never heard of the Westboro Baptist Church?
The church with 39 members in some podunk town, yes. I have. Nothing those wackos have done compares to the damage radical Islam does and continues to do. Yes they are against homosexuals, but they don't kill and hang them like they do in Iran.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why is your beliefs and practices so violent against non Muslims. Also why do you discriminate against women? Considering western culture and most of the world think how you treat women, they consider the men of Islam pigs, but you won't eat bacon because its unclean. Isn't the whole religion unclean as well.Explain
I'm not sure we have any regular Muslims on the site anymore. Most of these are Google-able, and at least a couple of these are, at best, too generalized to be asked of every Muslim. And, at worst, horribly naive to the point of insulting prejudice. The first question alone presumes a violence that is only true of a small subset of an extremist minority. For the rest - the vast majority - the answer's going to be "it's not, and that's a horrible stereotype about our religion that breeds misunderstanding and violence." Or some variation thereof. And any response you make will be instantly invalid, because the line of questioning alone belies your lack of comprehensive understanding of the religion. The other questions fare no better when put to the merest of scrutiny.
So this is either trolling to stir up ire, or ignorant to the point of discriminatory bias. I'm no fan of religion - and Islam falls under that umbrella - but there's a wrong way to attempt to deconstruct something. And any right way has to include at least a modicum of respect and basic knowledge. Go do some Google research, or read a couple books on the subject.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm not sure we have any regular Muslims on the site anymore. Most of these are Google-able, and at least a couple of these are, at best, too generalized to be asked of every Muslim. And, at worst, horribly naive to the point of insulting prejudice. The first question alone presumes a violence that is only true of a small subset of an extremist minority. For the rest - the vast majority - the answer's going to be "it's not, and that's a horrible stereotype about our religion that breeds misunderstanding and violence." Or some variation thereof. And any response you make will be instantly invalid, because the line of questioning alone belies your lack of comprehensive understanding of the religion. The other questions fare no better when put to the merest of scrutiny.So this is either trolling to stir up ire, or ignorant to the point of discriminatory bias. I'm no fan of religion - and Islam falls under that umbrella - but there's a wrong way to attempt to deconstruct something. And any right way has to include at least a modicum of respect and basic knowledge. Go do some Google research, or read a couple books on the subject.
I been to Afghanistan and Iraq, think I got the gist of it, nothing google or a few books can tell me that I have not experienced.