Darth Vader vs. Count Dooku

Started by FreshestSlice4 pages

Originally posted by Nargaroth
See this: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/count-dooku-darth-tyranus-respect-thread/95276/

Nuff said.


Not really.

Why? Isn't it obvious by making a comparison?

Vader has force crushed a TIE fighter btw.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Why? Isn't it obvious by making a comparison?

Vader has some insane speed feats of his own. They look pretty equal to me. And as respect threads are the definition of bias, I take them all with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Anakin caught a speeder with one hand while falling at approximately 99% terminal velocity (around 122 mph) in ATOC. Unless in the novel it mentions him using the force to slow his fall, this feat is far superior to lifting a guy with one hand.

😆 ''A guy'' This is Obi-Wan Kenobi ! The same guy who turned Anakin into kentucky fried chicken...

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is the Count faster than Vader? They're about the same speed, honestly.

Yeah right and I am Princess Elizabeth...

I can provide you 5 EU scans which says Vader is slow. But I think you Vader fanboys will deny that, since even Lucas himself said Vader is cripled half droid half man and he is slow.

Vader hardly tags someone like Old Ben Kenobi, Old An'ya Kuro, and average jedi like Kai Hudorra, Sha Koon etc.

There is too much difference between Dooku and Vader in terms of speed.

and there are also statements confirming that Vader improved significantly past that point.

I am now 98% sure he is trolling

Originally posted by Selenial
I am now 98% sure he is trolling

Alright Vader is fast. If you are really believing that.

Originally posted by Selenial
I am now 98% sure he is trolling

"Princess Elizabeth?" Yep.

Originally posted by Marco1907
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im sorry but i dont see ur point. Strength wise, how was it any different than lifting an average sized man?

Originally posted by Raptor22
im sorry but i dont see ur point. Strength wise, how was it any different than lifting an average sized man?

While Obi-Wan was trying to break that grip ? Yeah it is damn impressive. I don't see Anakin doing the same while Obi-Wan was trying to escape it.

Originally posted by Marco1907
While Obi-Wan was trying to break that grip ? Yeah it is damn impressive. I don't see Anakin doing the same while Obi-Wan was trying to escape it.

Obi-Wan had been beaten senseless before hand. So it was a lot less impressive than Anakin choking the s*** out of a 100% combat ready Obi-Wan. And forcing his own Saber back onto him.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader has some insane speed feats of his own. They look pretty equal to me. And as respect threads are the definition of bias, I take them all with a grain of salt.

Then analyze their feats and make your own comparison to explain why Dooku isn't faster than Vader. And not all respect threads are biased, especially considering that they're supposed to be a collection of feats. There is no more bias in them than what you can find in any forum. It depends on the user.

What respect threads tend to gloss over are showings of where the character fails. I don't care what they do to compare in the thread, I'll make my own judgements, thanks.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What respect threads tend to gloss over are showings of where the character fails. I don't care what they do to compare in the thread, I'll make my own judgements, thanks.

Again, respect threads are collections of feats, not comparisons, and of course low showings are disregarded, because it's a respect thread. Not only that, but those kinds of showings are much rarer than good showings. And I was just asking you what makes Vader and Dooku even in terms of speed. If you make this kind of claims you should at least try to explain them.

Every defeat isn't a low showing, and I know what respect threads are. I'm going to make my own judgements.

Vader blocking turret lasers, moving so fast his movements can't be tracked, being able to keep up with starfighters, etc.

I'm sure there's plenty of respect threads on him though, since that seems to be your kind of thing.

When you compare abilities, you need to compare all. Sure Vader has speed feats, no one denies that. But how about his low end feats ? There are lots of embarassing speed feats for Vader (which are made for showing that Vader has weakness ; speed), so are we going to ignore these ? When you compare Dooku's low and high feats, and Vader's... You can see the big difference.

Dooku and Maul, both are much faster than Vader.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Every defeat isn't a low showing, and I know what respect threads are. I'm going to make my own judgements.

Vader blocking turret lasers, moving so fast his movements can't be tracked, being able to keep up with starfighters, etc.

I'm sure there's plenty of respect threads on him though, since that seems to be your kind of thing.

I don't think I know the latter two speed feats for Vader. And of course not every defeat is a low showing. For example, in my Ventress respect thread, I included her defeat against Mace Windu, because it's still a good showing.

I'd give Vader the edge over Dooku; good fight, though.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd give Vader the edge over Dooku; good fight, though.

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