Galen also had encyclopedic knowledge of Vader's form, which allowed the fight to be prolonged despite Galen's evident lack of skill. He was also faster than Vader, which led to his winning blow - another advantage he lacks here. Galen has been dominated or rivaled by people Dooku could annihilate on his worst day, so there isn't much discussion in terms of lightsaber skill.
In terms of power, Galen isn't leaps and bounds above the count, although the difference is noticeable. I'm giving the majority to Dooku though.
Originally posted by Nalaniel
First off, that was just pre ANH Vader. Impressive, but Dooku is above ANH Vader in my opinion.
So is Galen so....?
Originally posted by Nalaniel
Secondly, Dooku's application of force in combat is somehow more impressive than Galen's.
Lol, nah. Dooku couldn't ragdoll Vader like Galen did in that fight.
Originally posted by ILS
Galen also had encyclopedic knowledge of Vader's form, which allowed the fight to be prolonged despite Galen's evident lack of skill.
Vader also had equal knowledge of Galen's form though and he was pulling out things Galen hadn't ever seen. And wtf? Evident lack of skill? I just said he had almost perfect skill you dork.
Originally posted by ILS
He was also faster than Vader, which led to his winning blow - another advantage he lacks here.
True, but Dooku also lacks an advantage Vader had over Marek, his immense strength.
Originally posted by ILS
Galen has been dominated or rivaled by people Dooku could annihilate on his worst day, so there isn't much discussion in terms of lightsaber skill.
Nah. And Galen improved throughout the game.
Originally posted by ILS
In terms of power, Galen isn't leaps and bounds above the count, although the difference is noticeable. I'm giving the majority to Dooku though.
Debatable. Hopefully. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, nah. Dooku couldn't ragdoll Vader like Galen did in that fight
ANH Vader couldn't overpower rusty Ben Kenobi, and was almost killed by TPM Maul's clone. He also lost lightsaber duel to a guy, who was equal to Shaak Ti at best. ANH Vader was far from being impressive. Dooku would crash that version of Darth Vader.
And Obi-Wan and Maul are suddenly shit because? Also Shaak Ti had clearly improved and had an environmental advantage of top of being fresh while Galen had been fighting for a long time. I'm not saying Galen or ANH Vader can beat Dooku in lightsabers, just that they could last a decent amount of time and wouldn't get trashed.
But in the Force? Vader has some stellar feats by this point. Dooku isn't beating him like Galen did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So is Galen so....?
Didn't Starkiller struggle against Rahm, Paratus and Shaak Ti?(With Ti being, Arguably the third strongest person Starkiller ever faced?)
Lol, nah. Dooku couldn't ragdoll Vader like Galen did in that fight.
Agreed, Starkiller's TK is much more destructive and potent.
Vader also had equal knowledge of Galen's form though and he was pulling out things Galen hadn't ever seen. And wtf? Evident lack of skill? I just said he had almost perfect skill you dork.
Again, i agreed with you, having trained for so long, it's only natural they become familiarized with one another's forms - they both share the same one iirc, but despite his "almost perfect skill" Starkiller was falling to Shaak Ti and just barely survived. not a bad feat at all. Just stating facts.
True, but Dooku also lacks an advantage Vader had over Marek, his immense strength.
True enough, but what he lacks in "immense strength" he makes up for in deadly precision and agility - both of which nearly killed Starkiller at one point or another.
Nah. And Galen improved throughout the game.
Um... Aren't Novels above Video games? even if that were true, Starkiller's skill wouldn't improve greatly over the span of - what, three, five months?(A quote on this would be appreciated)
Also which Starkiller is this? TFU or TFU2?
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Didn't Starkiller struggle against Rahm, Paratus and Shaak Ti?(With Ti being, Arguably the third strongest person Starkiller ever faced?)
Rahm Kota- Not really no. He put up a fight but Galen didn't really "struggle" to beat him and he had the upper hand as a duellist. It's noted specifically in the novel that Kota takes hits while Galen doesn't.
Paratus- Galen had difficulty here but it was more to do with Paratus's robot legs (which greatly increased his speed, agility and reach) rather than pure sabre skill.
Shaak Ti- Yes she clearly had the upper hand in swordsmanship. As pointed out though, she had an edge due to the environment and was fully rested while he had just fought through an army of her minions.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Um... Aren't Novels above Video games? even if that were true, Starkiller's skill wouldn't improve greatly over the span of - what, three, five months?(A quote on this would be appreciated)
It's stated in the novel that he's getting better all the time.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Also which Starkiller is this? TFU or TFU2?
The OP specified Galen Marek so it's TFU (TFU II is about the clone who's only named Starkiller. He himself states that he doesn't think of himself as Galen).
Galen Marek had a power boost at least 3 times in TFU1. So if this is Prime Galen then I give him the majority.
FYI Dooku is still his superior in Sabers. Dooku is also above Prime Vader (ROTJ) in Sabers. But I'd also give Prime Vader (ROTJ) a majority against Dooku in an all out personally. Dooku would however take a majority against either of them at any other time period (as in any time that was not their short lived peak period).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Galen Marek had a power boost at least 3 times in TFU1. So if this is Prime Galen then I give him the majority.FYI Dooku is still his superior in Sabers. Dooku is also above Prime Vader (ROTJ) in Sabers. But I'd also give Prime Vader (ROTJ) a majority against Dooku in an all out personally. Dooku would however take a majority against either of them at any other time period (as in any time that was not their short lived peak period).
He isnt above Vader in sabers, skill yes, But Vaders strength, Dookus weakness to Djem so, plus the fact there is really nothing Dooku can do to harm Vader physically makes Dooku die in a saber duel.
Originally posted by carthage
He isnt above Vader in sabers, skill yes, But Vaders strength, Dookus weakness to Djem so, plus the fact there is really nothing Dooku can do to harm Vader physically makes Dooku die in a saber duel.
There's no "weakness" to Djem So.
Vader's strength on it's own won't put Dooku down. But his strength backed up by his Raw Tk will be Dooku's worst nightmare (especially given how skilled Vader is himself). But then that would be part of an all out, not just Sabers.
You have a good point about the physicality though. Dooku tends to get in either physical attacks, or Tk attacks during dueling to get the better of his opponent. Both those attacks Vader can tank better than most.
Originally posted by King Joker
Quote?
I honestly can't be bothered to search the entire thing for it to help out in this, mostly because I don't have the faintest idea which chapter it's in, but I do remember that quote and can vouch for him.
It's something along the lines of getting stronger with every mission, every Jedi he slays, and being nothing like the man who stormed Kota's station.
There's at least 3 times in TFU Novel when Starkiller's stated to have reached a stronger connection to the force than he ever previously had. Once when he fought those shadow guards, once when he stopped the star destroyer, and once when he fought Vader.
Then there's the graphic novel which outright states he became more powerful after seeing the vision of Vader killing his father.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's no "weakness" to Djem So.Vader's strength on it's own won't put Dooku down. But his strength backed up by his Raw Tk will be Dooku's worst nightmare (especially given how skilled Vader is himself). But then that would be part of an all out, not just Sabers.
You have a good point about the physicality though. Dooku tends to get in either physical attacks, or Tk attacks during dueling to get the better of his opponent. Both those attacks Vader can tank better than most.
Your pos indicated a match of pure sabers. Vaders TK is far superior to the Counts. In a match of pure sabers Dooku is more agile, but the speed difference isnt massive. Vader has moved fast enough to appear to teleport, moved fast enough to appear as if he materialized out of thin air, and blitzed a Jedi decades before his prime. Dooku has the inherent mobility advantage of Makashi's mobility, but he cant damage Vader as he is weaker, and Vaders strength gradually wear him down as in the ROTS duel