Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I mean I take "descriptions" of speed with a grain of salt, and go more by what's displayed visually.In animation form there's no excuse not to show Jedi/Sith being "Invisible" or seeming like they "teleport." Fact is they're not displayed like that because they're not supposed to be that fast. If they were the droids on Geonosia wouldn't stand a chance, and Dooku could never have been caught by pirates.
Okay, your choice, but that still doesn't make those showings invalid just because a superior canon source doesn't portray that kind of stuff, which doesn't necessarily indicate a direct contradiction. And there are excuses for not showing such feats, like the fact that SW movies simply don't focus on that, and probably don't pay attention to speed (which to my momory is also not shown to be on that level in some Marvel movies), and then obviously because it's far easier for people to enjoy the movies with characters not moving at incredible speed.
And it's obvious that most Jedi/Sith would die when they're heavily outnumbered by droids/clone troopers. Even in EU stories, Jedi can die by blaster fire even without being that much outnumbered. As for non Force-sensitives, Durge was able to see Obi-Wan in slow motion and keep up with him, but that doesn't make Jedi's EU feats invalid. Not all Force users are equal, and not all of them (actually not many of them) can move so overwhelmingly faster than normal people that they could always beat them instantly, otherwise they would constantly stomp entire armies, which doesn't happen often in the EU. That's partally for story reasons. Your example I'm afraid doesn't prove anything.
As for Dooku vs pirates, the Count has an excuse, which is being a practitioner of Makashi, a style not suited for blaster deflection. That showing is inconsistent anyway, considering how Savage (who is slower than Dooku or even Vader) was temporarily deflecting torrential amounts of omnidirectional blaster fire (a better feat than moving invisibly fast), and Dooku was dodging his blows, yet he is defeated by pirates? Sorry, but that is probably the worst example you could choose. Maul vs Vizsla is also a low showing for the former.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't have the quote, but it was discussed in length on these boards years ago. In either case it's kind of irrelevant now as all the Legends stuff has been separated from Official canon sources.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I would dismiss "descriptions" which could easily be hyperbolic. And recognize that anything beyond Sidious/Yoda from G and T Canon sources is likely just the depiction of force powers from a different medium. A less Canon medium though.
Hyperbole is a statement that doesn't actually describe something and is self-evidently exaggerated, and other than all the movie vs EU stuff (which in this case is at leat questionable) there is nothing to contradict them as something impossible.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We've seen "bursts" of speed twice in 6 movies. The one you mentioned and Luke's leap in ESB. But they've never been displayed as "blurs" throughout a whole fight in the films or in animation.And even in those 2 "bursts", they were clearly still "visible."
Obi-wan and Qui-Gon were clearly moving fast as blurs, and were not that visible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY4tXUtu9_I
And many EU characters also haven't displayed that throughout an entire battle.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I haven't once denied Jedi/Sith are great at dodging. They are via Pre-Cog, speed, leaps and great agility. But not just through sheer speed. More on a Spider-Man type level. But not by being invisible like Quicksilver or The Flash.I don't even once remember Ezra being "invisible." He was very visible. As were the fastest 2 Jedi/Sith, Yoda and Sidious when we saw them fight in TCW Animation.
Pre-Cog, isn't gonna save you if you don't have the speed to dodge blaser bolts (that's similar to Naruto's Sharingan). Ezra probably wasn't invisible, but he's still totally untrained, and he dodged multiple blaster bolts while turned. Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWZYQ48YGrk#!
Vader, who is interminably more powerful than not only him, but also the other people I mentioned (aside from maybe Savage, who is still at least considerably below him), should logically be able to perform much better feats. Yes, he is also hindered by his cybernetics (as per EU sources), but they are mostly shown to affect his agility, and his ability to augment his speed with the Force should compensate for this anyways.