New 'Secret Wars' is Marvel Comics' major event of 2015

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Before you move on, what is my stance in your own words? Curiousity and all.

Prediction:
"You disagreed with a statement"

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, "one little throwaway line" is exactly what introduced the concept of Multi-Eternity to begin with. I didn't see anyone questioning that. srsly

I mean, do we need to have an entire issue devoted to explaining why/how LT was acting as the embodiment of the multiverse against the Beyonders, or should we simply do the most logical thing and accept Pym's/Hickman's assertion of his power as fact? After all, Eternity/Infinity had already been killed(presumably across the multiverse) by the time LT confronted the Beyonders, so he[LT] would have been the only entity left in creation who was powerful/important enough to act in a multiversal capacity anyway. What's the big deal?

Honestly, if you're going to act like Pym's/Hickman's statement about LT counts for nothing, then you have to throw out everything else he said/saw in that issue as well. You can't just pick and choose which of his statements you'll accept and which you won't.

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Btw, I'm not saying LT was *actually* the physical multiverse. That's no more factual then saying Eternity/Infinity were *actually* the physical universe when the Beyonders killed them. If they had been, the universe would have ceased to exist when Eternity/Infinity were killed, and the multiverse would have ceased to exist when LT was killed... Neither of which happened, obviously.

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So that's pretty much a giant no then? Also it's funny how instead of actually saying it yourself, you posted a verbose version in Galan's words. I doubt you noticed but I enjoyed it.

Anyway, so we don't waste anymore time with your blatant inability to read, or comprehend a situation, the only relevant post from last page:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Looks like I was off there. It was don't answer.

Anyway, seems like Maker landed on Battleworld. I'm curious if Hickman will actually use this to introduce Beyonder to the planet considering it happened in another book.

But hopefully Maker is the Beyonder here with no form change. Doubt it but...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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So that's pretty much a giant no then? Also it's funny how instead of actually saying it yourself, you posted a verbose version in Galan's words. I doubt you noticed but I enjoyed it.

Anyway, so we don't waste anymore time with your blatant inability to read, or comprehend a situation, the only relevant post from last page:

Originally posted by quanchi112
You picked and chose from the comic. You accept all the facts whether you like them or not. You also say is it over and then beg for more. See me in the Vader Caine debate if you want to test your skills. I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Interesting take on the Maker appearance. 👆

You think Hush is going to make an appearance in Secret Wars?

If you're right, that's a great prediction. No one would see that coming.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You think Hush is going to make an appearance in Secret Wars?

If you're right, that's a great prediction. No one would see that coming.

So much sexual tension here, Bran has become the new sex symbol of the forums it seems.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I only see 2 scans but it shows 4 links....

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, "one little throwaway line" is exactly what introduced the concept of Multi-Eternity to begin with. I didn't see anyone questioning that. srsly

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Ive always been dubious about this forums acceptance of a "Multi Eternity" based solely on a single statement by Dr Druid. Hardly an authority on such matters.

Regardless, a retcon is a retcon. Seems like LT is the embodiment of the multiverse 🙂

Captain Universe made the statement about Multi-Eternity... Not that it really makes a difference. A single statement is a single statement.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's not really a retcon, though. That's why it doesn't bother me.

It's not like Hickman retconned Eternity/Infinity into lesser abstracts or w/e just to wank LT. They [Eternity/Infinity] had already been killed by the Beyonders, which left their cosmological 'spots' vacant... LT simply filled their spots(for whatever reason) before he engaged the Beyonders. Not sure why this is such a big deal..?

LT simply filled their spots? Where did the comic state or even suggest that? I know youre making reference to Infinity Gauntlet and Thanos supplanting Eternity and might believe that shows precedence, but the scene in New Avengers states " Then i saw what they saw....all of reality taken form. The multiverse" just as LT manifests. For your theory to ring true the Infinity and Eternity that were taken out would have to have been the Multi Eternity/Infinity that you previously debunked. Plus Hank refers to Eternity and Infinity's killing as "universal genocide".

I think we're over-complicating things here. A Multi Eternity was never firmly established by any character of repute and was never explicitly referred to as an entity ever again since that single reference from Dr Druid. All we have here is a simple redefinition of LTs nature. This doesn't equate to a change in his role. Just an expansion of his character.

Originally posted by Galan007
Captain Universe made the statement about Multi-Eternity... Not that it really makes a difference. A single statement is a single statement.

Cool. Thanks for the correction. Captain Universe made the reference.
The point still stands. A retcon has clearly taken place.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT simply filled their spots? Where did the comic state or even suggest that? I know youre making reference to Infinity Gauntlet and Thanos supplanting Eternity and might believe that shows precedence, but the scene in New Avengers states " Then i saw what they saw....all of reality taken form. The multiverse" just as LT manifests.

That said: either the Beyonders killed Multi-Eternity during that scene, or we simply assume that they killed the infinite aspects of Eternity across the multiverse, off-panel. Either way, Eternity was destroyed on a multiversal scale.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surely you don't think the Beyonders only killed Eternity/Infinity on a universal scale, do you? I mean, you don't think they'd take the time to systematically kill an infinite amount of Celestials across the multiverse, but only kill a single/universal aspect of Eternity/Infinity..? Not only would that make no logical sense, but it would also conflict with the context of the story itself: this is a multiversal tale; not a universal one. /shrug

That said: either the Beyonders killed Multi-Eternity during that scene, or we simply assume that they killed the infinite aspects of Eternity across the multiverse, off-panel. Either way, Eternity was destroyed on a multiversal scale.

Youre definitely right on the 1st count. The multiversal nature of the assault was never in doubt. But I was admittedly running off a fuzzy recollection so forgot that the massacre was happening simultaneously.

But my point is that there was no reference to a filling of a vacant spot. Thats supposition on your part. You're making things unnecessarily complicated with no statement in the scene to justify your train of thought. It was a retcon pure and simple. LT was referred to as the embodiment of the multiverse. Thats all.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod

No ones doubting Captain Universes statement, but if based off of a sole flowery statement we can accept the existence of a Multi Eternity (that was never referred to ever again) we can accept Hank "Scientist Supreme" Pyms statement that LT is the embodiment of the multiverse until we hear otherwise. A retcon is a retcon.

LT can be the embodiment of the multiverse on a higher level I suppose

I was going to ask. What do you think we'll see in issue #3? It's a shame the schedule couldn't stay the same.

^What happened to the schedule?

Can the other people take their mr.master-wannabe debate elsewhere please? 131