Originally posted by krisblaze
^What happened to the schedule?Can the other people take their mr.master-wannabe debate elsewhere please? 131
There is gonna be a longer spacing between the times that the issues are released. Not like when #1 and #2 were released a week after each other.
As far as I know we're waiting until June 3rd or something like that for #3.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Grow up mate.Its a public and inclusive forum. If you wanna have things run on your schedule, pick a member and PM them. Thats all. 👆
It's a public and inclusive forum where threads are dedicated to specific discussions.
Your discussion on eternity is bogging down the thread dedicated to discussing Secret Wars.
So you grow up, ****face 👆
who cares.
anyway, anyone know why doom seemed so....shocked on this page of new avengers 33?
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/New%20Avengers%20033-031.jpg.html
k, so here is my basic understanding of what has been going on over the course of the last....nearly 3 years of comicbooks....? and a bunch of questions for discussion--(likely a text wall, so read at your own risk):
first, the beyonders/IK decided at some point they wanted to end the entire multiverse simultaneously. as per the retcon of the molecule man's origin, they reached the decision 25 years ago in the 616 world when the beyonders created owen. at the same time he was created in the 616, he was also created in every universe in the multiverse and 25 years after his creation, he was designed to......blow up, and take with him his entire universe. when every own exploded, every universe, and thus the multiverse, would be destroyed at the exact same moment.
am i on the same page as everyone else so far...?
in an effort to stop this plan from happening, doom somehow....brought back the molecule man (who i thought was killed by sentry...?) it somehow turned out that owen's energy signature matched the beacon that doom recovered when he battled back the mapmaker's during the incursion in latveria. ironically, the beacons were being used by the beyonders to try and track the movements of rabum alal. the beacons were placed on worlds where owen was supposed to have died, correct....? anyway, the mapmakers strip the world bare, but....here is some confusion. why bother if the incursion is supposed to destroy both worlds anyway?
i thought the beacons were designed to bring them to worlds that NEEDED destroying. without an owen to blow it up, the incursions were to be used in his place. but i think that is wrong. any thoughts?
back to doom. so, over the last 25 years of his 616 life, he has been leading a double life. in his spare time he's been finding and killing owen's throughout the multiverse. but he was doing it too slowly, so created a religion of swans who ALSO went about his same task, helping him kill owen after owen.
now, a very confusing bit--doom says the first incursion didn't happen until 7 years into his killing spree:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/New%20Avengers%20033-016.jpg.html
so...what the hell caused the first incursion? why did it take so long? more importantly (and maybe the crux of the entire storyline...): WHY DID IT HAPPEN? what was the purpose of that incursion? was it to destroy an owen-less earth?
the entire goal of the beyonders was the simultaneous death of every universe in the multiverse. with doom killing owen's that couldn't happen. so....what did the beyonders do instead? it seems they started trying to find the one responsible for killing the owens, and ultimately, they failed and never realized it was doom. so, they took matters into their own hands and simply starting killing....everything themselves. that sound right...?
and apparently they nearly succeeded. they killed lt who appears to have somehow embodied the multiverse (how could THAT be the case though if the 616 universe still existed after his death...?) then they returned to their realm. sometime after, doom appeared with owen and strange and....blasted them to death, the resulting blast surviving to also wipeout hundreds of thousands of universes.....
question: WHAT did doom blast them with? my thought was he had been gathering the power of all the owens he killed, but, i'm not sure.
after that, we have the last few incursions until only 2 universes are left. maker, with maxima's help, steals the design for the raft and makes his escape at the same time reed and the others do, and somehow they make it through the incursion to land in a pocket universe/world doom built when he had the IG. so, another question: if this battle world is made from bits of some of the dead universes, when the hell was doom supposed to have collected all these pieces, and what power did he use to do it?? i can't figure why he is still a god in this world.
my initial reaction was this wasn't the 616 doom, or the strange that was at the end of the new avengers 33. none of it makes sense. the world seems to have too much....history to it. i seriously have no clue. and THAT has been my biggest problem throughout this 3 year event. too many separate things happening, too many alluded-to revelations, but very few ACTUAL, punch-in-the-face revelations.
please feel free to correct misconceptions as you see fit, and to answer my questions if you can, even with speculation if that is all that is left atm.
whew.....
Originally posted by GalacticStormCorrect. That is just my personal interpretation of what we saw. I think it is a perfectly logical assumption, but it is still an assumption nonetheless. 🙂
But my point is that there was no reference to a filling of a vacant spot. Thats supposition on your part.
Originally posted by leonidasNah, bran still wants me inside him. 👆
bran and galan now hate each other
Originally posted by krisblaze
It's a public and inclusive forum where threads are dedicated to specific discussions.Your discussion on eternity is bogging down the thread dedicated to discussing Secret Wars.
So you grow up, ****face 👆
I added my two cents to a pre-existing discussion between Galan, Bran and Quanchi and i didnt see you taking issue with them so don't give me that bullshit
You took issue purely because it was me. Whatever past grievance you may have with me from eons passed let it go. I havent been a regular on here for years. I cant even remember you 😬
The point in question is very much Secret Wars related and multiple forum members were involved in discussion over it. If you want to dictate the points of discussion and determine when everyone should quit yapping and move on to a point of interest for yourself then once again i suggest you make use of the PM facility that we all have access to. 👆
Now lets get on with the discussion otherwise you'll only be contributing to the alleged bogging down 🙂
Originally posted by leonidasSome good questions there about both the incursions and battleworld, though admittedly I missed issues here and there and forgot a crapload, so I would also like to see anybody answer.
who cares.anyway, anyone know why doom seemed so....shocked on this page of new avengers 33?
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/New%20Avengers%20033-031.jpg.html
k, so here is my basic understanding of what has been going on over the course of the last....nearly 3 years of comicbooks....? and a bunch of questions for discussion--(likely a text wall, so read at your own risk):
first, the beyonders/IK decided at some point they wanted to end the entire multiverse simultaneously. as per the retcon of the molecule man's origin, they reached the decision 25 years ago in the 616 world when the beyonders created owen. at the same time he was created in the 616, he was also created in every universe in the multiverse and 25 years after his creation, he was designed to......blow up, and take with him his entire universe. when every own exploded, every universe, and thus the multiverse, would be destroyed at the exact same moment.
am i on the same page as everyone else so far...?
in an effort to stop this plan from happening, doom somehow....brought back the molecule man (who i thought was killed by sentry...?) it somehow turned out that owen's energy signature matched the beacon that doom recovered when he battled back the mapmaker's during the incursion in latveria. ironically, the beacons were being used by the beyonders to try and track the movements of rabum alal. the beacons were placed on worlds where owen was supposed to have died, correct....? anyway, the mapmakers strip the world bare, but....here is some confusion. why bother if the incursion is supposed to destroy both worlds anyway?
i thought the beacons were designed to bring them to worlds that NEEDED destroying. without an owen to blow it up, the incursions were to be used in his place. but i think that is wrong. any thoughts?
back to doom. so, over the last 25 years of his 616 life, he has been leading a double life. in his spare time he's been finding and killing owen's throughout the multiverse. but he was doing it too slowly, so created a religion of swans who ALSO went about his same task, helping him kill owen after owen.
now, a very confusing bit--doom says the first incursion didn't happen until 7 years into his killing spree:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/New%20Avengers%20033-016.jpg.html
so...what the hell caused the first incursion? why did it take so long? more importantly (and maybe the crux of the entire storyline...): [b]WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
what was the purpose of that incursion? was it to destroy an owen-less earth?the entire goal of the beyonders was the simultaneous death of every universe in the multiverse. with doom killing owen's that couldn't happen. so....what did the beyonders do instead? it seems they started trying to find the one responsible for killing the owens, and ultimately, they failed and never realized it was doom. so, they took matters into their own hands and simply starting killing....everything themselves. that sound right...?
and apparently they nearly succeeded. they killed lt who appears to have somehow embodied the multiverse (how could THAT be the case though if the 616 universe still existed after his death...?) then they returned to their realm. sometime after, doom appeared with owen and strange and....blasted them to death, the resulting blast surviving to also wipeout hundreds of thousands of universes.....
question: WHAT did doom blast them with? my thought was he had been gathering the power of all the owens he killed, but, i'm not sure.
after that, we have the last few incursions until only 2 universes are left. maker, with maxima's help, steals the design for the raft and makes his escape at the same time reed and the others do, and somehow they make it through the incursion to land in a pocket universe/world doom built when he had the IG. so, another question: if this battle world is made from bits of some of the dead universes, when the hell was doom supposed to have collected all these pieces, and what power did he use to do it?? i can't figure why he is still a god in this world.
my initial reaction was this wasn't the 616 doom, or the strange that was at the end of the new avengers 33. none of it makes sense. the world seems to have too much....history to it. i seriously have no clue. and THAT has been my biggest problem throughout this 3 year event. too many separate things happening, too many alluded-to revelations, but very few ACTUAL, punch-in-the-face revelations.
please feel free to correct misconceptions as you see fit, and to answer my questions if you can, even with speculation if that is all that is left atm.
whew..... [/B]
You also have to wonder that if Doom had the power to save chunks of all these worlds, how he happened to save only those relating to popular What Ifs and alternate universe arcs, and other well known franchises, instead of saving say Malibuverse or New Universe, or "What If The Fantastic Four all had the same power" and "What If Watcher was a stand up comedian?. At least he remembered to save Latveria.
Also why save dangerous as hell universes such as Marvel Zombies, Age of Ultron, and Annihilation Wave at all, then have to put them behind a wall? To invoke Game of Thrones?
And where did that Punisher/Strange come from? The X-Vampire Universe is nowhere to be seen on Battleworld. Are there random drop-in characters as well?
Originally posted by leonidasNow that I think of it, Owen told Doom that the murder of Molecule Men would result in the red and blue shift of Incursions once a certain threshold (# of murdered Owens) was reached. Rabum Alal's actions caused the contraction of the Multiverse so instead of instant Multiversal destruction (the Beyonder's goal), Rabum Alal's actions were causing a chaotic systematic Multiversal destruction...
now, a very confusing bit--doom says the first incursion didn't happen until 7 years into his killing spree:http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/New%20Avengers%20033-016.jpg.html
so...what the hell caused the first incursion? why did it take so long? more importantly (and maybe the crux of the entire storyline...): [b]WHY DID IT HAPPEN?
what was the purpose of that incursion? was it to destroy an owen-less earth?[/B]
... which I guess would allow Doom to save something. How? Yet to be explained.
Originally posted by leonidasThe alternate universe where Doom built Doomworld with the IG is different from Battleworld's reality. Similar but different concepts. The Doomworld universe where his children of magic and science usurped control was presumably destroyed during the Incursions or during the Rabum Alal conflagration.
after that, we have the last few incursions until only 2 universes are left. maker, with maxima's help, steals the design for the raft and makes his escape at the same time reed and the others do, and somehow they make it through the incursion to land in a pocket universe/world doom built when he had the IG. so, another question: if this battle world is made from bits of some of the dead universes, when the hell was doom supposed to have collected all these pieces, and what power did he use to do it?? i can't figure why he is still a god in this world.
Question...
Is Loki suggesting that the scope of the incursion affair was Omniversal?:
First scan: "The end of this universe--the final death of the World Tree. The end of ALL stories."(The last bit ended up being a bit of an exaggeration, as she soon explains)...
Second scan: "It's never the end of ALL stories--they get everywhere. Like roaches. Wipe out the whole Omniverse--there'll still be a story somewhere. Loads, probably."
I interpret that as Loki basically saying: "Yeah, the Omniverse is about to go kablooey, but we --the stories-- will always endure."
Thoughts?
Originally posted by Galan007
Question...Is Loki suggesting that the scope of the incursion affair was Omniversal?:
First scan: "The end of this universe--the final death of the World Tree. The end of ALL stories."(The last bit ended up being a bit of an exaggeration, as she soon explains)...
Second scan: "It's never the end of ALL stories--they get everywhere. Like roaches. Wipe out the whole Omniverse--there'll still be a story somewhere. Loads, probably."I interpret that as Loki basically saying: "Yeah, the Omniverse is about to go kablooey, but we --the stories-- will always endure."
Thoughts?
The way I see it I think you're right I guess. I mean she speaks about it being the last Incursion, which would imply Omniversal level destruction. In the same sense comics featuring Loki tend to have a kind of jokey 4th Wall feel to them sometime. So what she's saying there could be a hint about Marvel's future.
But I tend to look towards what you said about Omniversal wide destruction.
Originally posted by Galan007
Question...Is Loki suggesting that the scope of the incursion affair was Omniversal?:
First scan: "The end of this universe--the final death of the World Tree. The end of ALL stories."(The last bit ended up being a bit of an exaggeration, as she soon explains)...
Second scan: "It's never the end of ALL stories--they get everywhere. Like roaches. Wipe out the whole Omniverse--there'll still be a story somewhere. Loads, probably."I interpret that as Loki basically saying: "Yeah, the Omniverse is about to go kablooey, but we --the stories-- will always endure."
Thoughts?
I Think the same thing too.
But she's may said that because there may still something out there even after everything ends.
Yeah, I only ask because if that is indeed what Loki was saying, then it is the only time the incursion fiasco has been referred to as Omniversal, instead of multiversal. However, it is also possible that the term "Omniverse" was simply used as a synonym for "infinite universes" in that comic... In which case, multiverse=omniverse, where this story is concerned.
...OR we follow the textbook definition of "Omniverse", which equates to infinite multiverseS.
Personally, I'd tend to side with the former description before I'd assume this story took place on an infinitely greater scale than we'd previously realized... /shrug
Well in addition to ****ing leo and his ****ing leo thoughts full of ****ing leo things. The ****ing Beyondleos sent everyone to go **** up all the Captain ****ing Leo Corps in the ****ing Starleo Leodel which is a ****ing leoversal level place
So if it indeed is a ****ing leoversal level event the attack on the ****ing Starleo Citaleo reinforces that a bit under ****ing Leoman himself too
