Is it hypocritical to not believe in God...

Originally posted by red g jacks

I should move to Canada because the money here has God on it?

If that's what you're inclined to do, I would suggest checking to see what's on Canadian currency first.
It'd be a waste of time if they had something similar.

Originally posted by red g jacks

If you're saying that we have to leave the country or else believe in God in order to be consistent in our beliefs, you are effectively making a powerful argument for why 'In God We Trust' on the money is, in fact, unconstitutional.

1. There are far more solutions than this.

2. The constitution itself is unconstitutional if you want to use metrics of that sort.
Two examples of the latter, if you want to use that particular line of thinking:

http://spectator.org/articles/38475/any-part-constitution-unconstitutional
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=2570

Originally posted by red g jacks

Last I checked this country is supposed to protect religious freedom.

This thread may become even more interesting than expected if you claim atheism as a religion.

I agree with the author of the topic.

Originally posted by God
I agree with the author of the topic.

😂

Welp, that settles that.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The constitution itself is unconstitutional...

Lol. I'll take things that are tautologically impossible for $400, Alex.

Well, I guess technically the 18th amendment to the constitution is unconstitutional...

Originally posted by God

I agree with the author of the topic.

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider

1. There are far more solutions than this.

2. The constitution itself is unconstitutional if you want to use metrics of that sort.
Two examples of the latter, if you want to use that particular line of thinking:

http://spectator.org/articles/38475/any-part-constitution-unconstitutional
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=2570

This thread may become even more interesting than expected if you claim atheism as a religion.

Originally posted by red g jacks

true religious freedom means the freedom to hold any opinion on any religious topic. so this by definition can't exclude the option to not be religious at all.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by red g jacks

such as ...

Already mentioned is bartering.
Which automatically introduces 3 other options:

1. Goods can be traded for goods. (pure bartering)
2. Goods can be traded for services. (hiring, favors)
3. Services can be traded for services. (contractual agreement)

Cooperatives work under the principle that some or even all costs can be reduced or eliminated by people intelligently working together to meet each others needs and at least a few desires.

Programs with things like food stamps, etcetera would be a fifth example.
Effectively this is a government entity, or entity of collaborating individuals creating their own system of currency.

So at least 3 alternatives exist, and most people are widely familiar with what I've given, essentially, as #s 4 and 5.

you really think it is practical to live in this country without using money? lol @ bartering. yea maybe here and there you can do that. do you honestly expect you can pay your rent, utilities, go grocery shopping, buy a car, buy a house, etc without using real currency?

Originally posted by riv6672
...yet still spend money? In the US at least.
That whole "in god we trust" thing.
Is it a matter of people not caring enough about their non belief? A convenient overlooking of something that'd make life impossible to live in the US?
What's everyone's take on this?

Why do you care what is written on money? I look at "In God we trust" as a general statement that can mean whatever you want it to mean. You could define God in this phrase as meaning nature or the universe. But if you just can't get over the God thing, I have a solution. Just send me all of your money, and I will spend it for you. 😉 😄

Originally posted by red g jacks
you really think it is practical to live in this country without using money? lol @ bartering. yea maybe here and there you can do that. do you honestly expect you can pay your rent, utilities, go grocery shopping, buy a car, buy a house, etc without using real currency?

We're talking ideal in this thread, not strictly practical.

In fact, part of the implied premise of this thread by the OP, which couldn't be eliminated even if the OP chose to deny it, is that atheists are not guided by ideals as firmly held as truly religious individual.

They do what they perceive is convenient for them and/or efficient.

However, everything I mentioned is quite possible, and, the stronger your community network or personal level of resource, the more practical it becomes.

I doubt you've had experience with the sort of communities I'm talking about.
When you get together enough like-minded people, you CAN do this.

You forget how much as a society we've moved away from cash altogether, let alone "In God We Trust"-bearing U.S. currency.

How much did you pay for the last 10 videos you watched, for instance?

If your answer amounts to any cash at all, you're probably in the minority on these forums. The Internet just disguises the fact that you're working with a community of numerous individuals as opposed to you by your lonesome on your computer.

Once the dollar collapses (and yes, it will in the near future, I'm afraid) bartering will play a huge role in our society. I bet you won't no one will be laughing about bartering then.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
We're talking ideal in this thread, not strictly practical.

In fact, part of the implied premise of this thread by the OP, which couldn't be eliminated even if the OP chose to deny it, is that atheists are not guided by ideals as firmly held as truly religious individual.

They do what they perceive is convenient for them and/or efficient.

However, everything I mentioned is quite possible, and, the stronger your community network or personal level of resource, the more practical it becomes.

I doubt you've had experience with the sort of communities I'm talking about.
When you get together enough like-minded people, you CAN do this.

You forget how much as a society we've moved away from cash altogether, let alone "In God We Trust"-bearing U.S. currency.

How much did you pay for the last 10 videos you watched, for instance?

If your answer amounts to any cash at all, you're probably in the minority on these forums. The Internet just disguises the fact that you're working with a community of numerous individuals as opposed to you by your lonesome on your computer.

as for atheists not being guided by ideals... not believing in god is not an ideal to me. i do have ideals but not believing in god is not one of them. it is just a stance/opinion i happen to hold. it's not honestly that important though at the end of the day.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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Read the title then read my answer again. 🙂

Originally posted by God
Read the title then read my answer again. 🙂

I don't trust you! 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why do you care what is written on money? I look at "In God we trust" as a general statement that can mean whatever you want it to mean. You could define God in this phrase as meaning nature or the universe. But if you just can't get over the God thing, I have a solution. Just send me all of your money, and I will spend it for you. 😉 😄

Originally posted by riv6672
When you post a response that makes me think you actually read the thread, and so understand why i made it, i might send you a dollar if you PM me your address.👆

I read it and understood it, but its not a big deal to me. I didn't post at the beginning because of that. I only posted when I thought a joke would be appropriate.

Originally posted by red g jacks
yea, downloading videos is easy. downloading an apartment, food to eat, electricity, a car, etc.. not quite as easy. it's basically impossible to live in the US without using US currency... except if you are willing to go live in the wilderness and live off the land.

it's funny cause when an atheist raises an issue over this kind of petty shit certain religious people will scream "militant atheism" and insist that having god on the money and the pledge is no big deal and doesn't affect anyone's beliefs... and yet there are religious people here willing to cry hypocrisy if we agree to not whine about it and just look the other way.

anything to score some points i guess. "haha! caught you not being atheist enough."

I don't believe in Santa Claus. Is it hypocritical for me to shop at a store that has Christmas advertisements that feature images and the name Santa Claus?

The answer is of course no. I don't believe in Santa Claus, and I realize that it is just fiction. Am I offended by people who believe in Santa Claus? Some of them yes, but not all.

The same is true with "In God we trust". It's just fiction. Do I have a problem with people who believe in gods? Sure, some of them are dicks, but most of them are nice people.

The main question: does it make you less of an atheist to have currency that has something about god written on it? I thought atheists were free of the belief in gods. It seems to me that if you answer this question as yes, then you are still bound to the belief in gods in some way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I read it and understood it, but its not a big deal to me. I didn't post at the beginning because of that. I only posted when I thought a joke would be appropriate.

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, that thinking thing never does quite work out for you. 😂

So, all you can do is insult me. You are not even able to consider my point.