Originally posted by Shakyamunisonthe world is corrupt we both know that... the book is right but those who present it aren't always holy... its one thing to read it.. but to truely understand its meaning you have to to believe if you dnt.. then you cnt fully understand
The bible is a very important book, and I have read it from cover to cover. What I find wrong about the bible is not the bible, but those who would take it literally and interpret it with great malice against others. It is the people of the Christian church that don't work for me.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The problem with a lot of this conversation is that:1) You're using cliches and not actually thinking about what I'm saying or even what you yourself are saying.
2) You're preceding from the a priori assumption that the secular mainstream assertion HAS to be true, HAS to be the starting point, and nothing else can be.
3) You expand the definition of "natural" as suits you.
In regards to your car, that's not an equivalent example. You can simply go to a mechanic where they can examine your car and determine what's making it malfunction.
(As an aside, I've often found that, no matter what your problem is, if you voice your trouble in the hearing of the RIGHT person your problem is on its way to getting solved. The trick is to discover WHO that "right" person is, for scenario A often needs person A to solve while scenario B often needs person B and NOT person A to solve it.)
With your gremlins example, Midas can tell you very quickly what is wrong.
Note that they thoroughly examine the car. They have a guide as to what a car looks like. They have knowledge as to how a car should work and how the different pieces interact together. They are experts on investigating and solving car problems.Do we have the equivalent for my life question?
Is there some expert I can go to and get the answer to my question?
Could I get an answer to my question even if I changed it to, "Show me someone who can make life from truly non-alive TODAY"?What are you looking at that tells you the answer to THAT question can be found in science even 20 or 30 years from now?
You're not very good at this.
Demonstrate the supernatural, and moreover, demonstrate the method by which you've eliminated all other possibilities and determined that the supernatural exists.
And moreover, demonstrate that the supernatural consists of the beings of the Abrahamic Mythos and no other.
Until you can do that I'm simply going to dismiss your position because you essentially have no standing. Provide something to examine and falsify to demonstrate the truth of your position, blue.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
the world is corrupt we both know that... the book is right but those who present it aren't always holy... its one thing to read it.. but to truely understand its meaning you have to to believe if you dnt.. then you cnt fully understand
I don't believe you. There are two many interpretations of the bible for there to be a mystical truth within its pages.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
mystical and science can be one and the same.. the things we have today would be mystical to ppl 1,000 years ago
Wrong meaning to the word mystical.
"Christian mysticism refers to the development of mystical practices and theory within Christianity. It has often been connected to mystical theology, especially in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions."
Originally posted by Shabazz916
so your sayn is math mysticism that a person can use math to create rocket engines but.. but a person who doesn't know math can not do the same ?
But a person who doesn't know math can learn math. A belief in math is not required.
Also, Christian mysticism is more then just hard to find information. It is the idea that information is withheld by the holy spirit from any nonbeliever.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But a person who doesn't know math can learn math. A belief in math is not required.Also, Christian mysticism is more then just hard to find information. It is the idea that information is withheld by the holy spirit from any nonbeliever.
a belief in math is required because you cannot learn it with time spent learning and a dedication to the rules and the steps it requires.
and yes the information is withheld in the spirit from nonbelievers because the devil has his ways of making non believers question the truth
Originally posted by Shabazz916
a belief in math is required because you cannot learn it with time spent learning and a dedication to the rules and the steps it requires.and yes the information is withheld in the spirit from nonbelievers because the devil has his ways of making non believers question the truth
Math doesn't have a spirit withholding information, and I don't believe that the bible has one ether.
That is what I mean when I said: "There are two many interpretations of the bible for there to be a mystical truth within its pages". All of these interpretations are made by believers. Why would there be so many constructional truths?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Math doesn't have a spirit withholding information, I don't believe that the bible one ether.That is what I mean when I said: "There are two many interpretations of the bible for there to be a mystical truth within its pages". All of these interpretations are made by believers. Why would there be so many constructional truths?
the bible does not have a spirit the bible is the map to your spirit... to find salvation