Originally posted by red g jacks
you're the one saying if he proved himself there'd be no faith. if that's true now it should have been true then too. so you still haven't answered shit.
he proved himself when he sent his son to save us.. from ourselves.. now you are questioning the thing that saved us
Originally posted by Jynocidus
The Creator made space, stars, and frames of time. It's not fiction. None of this is happening without a superior life form. What you call natural is a condition is celestial mechanics at play.The Creator wants his props, his mark is in the DNA of all life forms. 🤨
And unicorns dance only in the spring time. Do you get my point? I can't expect you to believe that unicorns dance only in the spring time without proving some evidence. The same is true for you. You can say this is how I believe, but without evidence it just as silly as unicorns dance only in the spring time.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
An assertion without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I don't know how life began nor am I claiming to know. Simply asserting that a being which you can not provide any evidence to demonstrate it's existence as the cause doesn't make that position rational, particularly when you can simply assert the same claim for any other agent. What makes the Abrahamic God a more viable answer than Krishna or Amon-Ra, or simply that existence has always existed? It's essentially equivalent to asserting when my car malfunctions and I can't immediately determine what the actual cause is that Gremlins did it. That isn't a rational position.
The problem with a lot of this conversation is that:
1) You're using cliches and not actually thinking about what I'm saying or even what you yourself are saying.
2) You're preceding from the a priori assumption that the secular mainstream assertion HAS to be true, HAS to be the starting point, and nothing else can be.
3) You expand the definition of "natural" as suits you.
In regards to your car, that's not an equivalent example. You can simply go to a mechanic where they can examine your car and determine what's making it malfunction.
(As an aside, I've often found that, no matter what your problem is, if you voice your trouble in the hearing of the RIGHT person your problem is on its way to getting solved. The trick is to discover WHO that "right" person is, for scenario A often needs person A to solve while scenario B often needs person B and NOT person A to solve it.)
With your gremlins example, Midas can tell you very quickly what is wrong.
Note that they thoroughly examine the car. They have a guide as to what a car looks like. They have knowledge as to how a car should work and how the different pieces interact together. They are experts on investigating and solving car problems.
Do we have the equivalent for my life question?
Is there some expert I can go to and get the answer to my question?
Could I get an answer to my question even if I changed it to, "Show me someone who can make life from truly non-alive TODAY"?
What are you looking at that tells you the answer to THAT question can be found in science even 20 or 30 years from now?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And unicorns dance only in the spring time. Do you get my point? I can't expect you to believe that unicorns dance only in the spring time without proving some evidence. The same is true for you. You can say this is how I believe, but without evidence it just as silly as unicorns dance only in the spring time.
You refusing to accept the fact that you are of creation doesn't make the Bible fictional. There's no other explanation worth wasting time with.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
and you know this because ???
http://www.sgi.org/buddhism/buddhist-concepts/ten-worlds.html
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hell is the lowest world:http://www.sgi.org/buddhism/buddhist-concepts/ten-worlds.html
unless somebody has died for years and came back i dnt wanna know what they think they know about hell
Originally posted by Shabazz916
because its spelled out for you from good thru humans
Are you talking about the bible? So god (not good) told humans?
Here is the problem: The only place you will find information about the divinity of the bible is from the bible. Okay, now lets say that this is true. A book can claim to be the word of God, and be its own proof. But wait, the Koran says that it is also the word of God, and if we allow the bible to be its own proof then we must allow the Koran to be its own proof. Do you see why that is too low of a standard?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you talking about the bible? So god (not good) told humans?Here is the problem: The only place you will find information about the divinity of the bible is from the bible. Okay, now lets say that this is true. A book can claim to be the word of God, and be its own proof. But wait, the Koran says that it is also the word of God, and if we allow the bible to be its own proof then we must allow the Koran to be its own proof. Do you see why that is too low of a standard?
thats like white ppl sayn they are superior when we all bleed the same blood etc etc