Can Super Saiyan 3 be perfected?

Originally posted by Damborgson
SSJ3 ****s up his fusion I think. Like shortens it.

He's also... A fusion. none

SSJ3 doesn't take away from Gotenks' stamina though like it does with Goku, which I think is what Bentley was getting at.

But the fusion time being shortened was but another convenient plot device to continue dragging out the Buu saga, yeah.

SS3 has shorted fusion, and shortened Goku's time on earth, and shortens his stamina a lot. All boils down to the same problem. Excessive power drain.

True, and I guess the only reason it doesn't drain Gotenks' energy/stamina is because he's a fusion, not necessarily because of some difference in power level between him and Goku.

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more." - Akira Toriyama.

In the hyperbolic time chamber years passed by and goku was able to perfect ssj1 why wouldnt he be able to perfect ssj3 only thing he would need is time. How thought is uncertain

Well based on the above Toriyama statement post-BotG, seems SSJ2 and 3 will become obsolete for Goku anyway, like Kaioken did before them.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well based on the above Toriyama statement post-BotG, seems SSJ2 and 3 will become obsolete for Goku anyway, like Kaioken did before them.

Thats true he did say that

SS3 is completely obsolete as of now with SSGM.

People really liked the long blonde hair I guess🙂

I don't see the problem with SS2 though, regarding that statement. It amps what is already formed from SS1 without any drawbacks that we've ever seen. Even if it does actually draw more strength, it would be so minor it wouldn't really matter.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I don't see the problem with SS2 though, regarding that statement. It amps what is already formed from SS1 without any drawbacks that we've ever seen. Even if it does actually draw more strength, it would be so minor it wouldn't really matter.

SS2 is a perfect transformation. SS3 is heavily flawed. It drained more power then SS4 and was not anywhere as powerful.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well based on the above Toriyama statement post-BotG, seems SSJ2 and 3 will become obsolete for Goku anyway, like Kaioken did before them.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The only way I could possible seeing it being perfected is 2 years in the time chamber with extreme exposure high intensity training sparring with at least 2 as strong or stronger then him and unlimited sensu beans for them all.

Each session would have to last 3-4 minutes of hard hard training going all out as Goku is going to be trying to go all out. He would have to be giving it his all for each training session and going down into base form, taking a few sensu and starting back up.

Doing this over and over and hard core training might work. However I doubt we will ever get to see this as they have moved him into God mode which blows SS3 out of the water in speed, power, strength, and energy.

Galan what do you think about this?

I still don't see it working. I think taxing its user's stamina and power reverves is just what SSJ3 does inherently--that's why it's not meant to be used in the living world, as Goku noted.

Yea so then I guess its flawed no matter what.

Originally posted by Galan007
I still don't see it working. I think taxing its user's stamina and power reverves is just what SSJ3 does inherently--that's why it's not meant to be used in the living world, as Goku noted.

Theoretically how long could he stay in SS3 in the after life? Maybe he can only use it there for extended periods of times because that is where he learned it.

Where the manga is concerned, it was never stated how long he could maintain SSJ3 in the afterlife. After all, the only time we've seen Goku go SSJ3 while he was legitimately dead was in Movie #12 when he fought Janemba in other world... And not only did he have an extended battle with Janemba, wherein he appeared to be going all-out, but he also never stated that SSJ3 was draining him at some absurd rate.

...But that's not exactly canon, either. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Where the manga is concerned, it was never stated how long he could maintain SSJ3 in the afterlife. After all, the only time we've seen Goku go SSJ3 while he was legitimately dead was in Movie #12 when he fought Janemba in other world... And not only did he have an extended battle with Janemba, wherein he appeared to be going all-out, but he also never stated that SSJ3 was draining him at some absurd rate.

...But that's not exactly canon, either. /shrug

Well the lets just go by showings as such weather cannon or non cannon.

It appears he can hold it indef in afterlife without trouble.

On earth, he is up shit creek🙂

Originally posted by john allerdyce
Is it possible to perfect SS3 in the same type of way that Gohan and Goku perfected their regular SS forms while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Could Goku, for example, master SS3 to such a degree that it no longer required any effort to maintain?

The only way I see it being "perfected" is by Broly. If his power perpetually increases like it did in his first movie, or the way Dragon Ball Multiverse has him doing it, it could theoretically counter the drain and keep him in the form.

Originally posted by juggerman
The only way I see it being "perfected" is by Broly. If his power perpetually increases like it did in his first movie, or the way Dragon Ball Multiverse has him doing it, it could theoretically counter the drain and keep him in the form.

Ooooooo....nice thought. He is non-canon, however. :'(

If the drain from SSJ3 is less than the power-increase he experiences, he would still have to "drain" some of his power to keep from self-destructing. If the drain from SSJ3 is greater than his power-increase, then the technique would not succeed. Likely, it is not exactly equal. From my estimate, the drain appears to be greater than Broly's power-creep. Basically, I think Broly would be able to hold the transformation for quite a long time but he would eventually run out of power. We could compare it to the un-perfected SSJ1 transformation: they can hold it for quite some time but they eventually drain themselves.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where the manga is concerned, it was never stated how long he could maintain SSJ3 in the afterlife. After all, the only time we've seen Goku go SSJ3 while he was legitimately dead was in Movie #12 when he fought Janemba in other world... And not only did he have an extended battle with Janemba, wherein he appeared to be going all-out, but he also never stated that SSJ3 was draining him at some absurd rate.

...But that's not exactly canon, either. /shrug

Galan, I really do think we should put together a Dragonball-con and have you as one of the speakers. It would be a session where you chose like 5 topics to discuss with a panel of DB experts. I'd watch that.