Can Super Saiyan 3 be perfected?

Originally posted by Q99
Heck, the end-of-saga beam of war, when everyone was shooting Cell in the back? USSJ then.

Galan how much stronger is SS3 Goku in Buu Saga vs SS2 Gohan in Cell saga? Could he hold is own in a fight against SS3 Goku?

Um, no.

A SSJ3 is 4x> a SSJ2. That is to say: a Saiyan's power is quadrupled when they transform from SSJ2 to SSJ3. Furthermore, Majin Vegeta noted that SSJ2 Goku was "stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell":
http://i.imgur.com/GBEYpyI.gif
ie. SSJ3 Goku(4x)>SSJ2 Goku>SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era)

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no.

A SSJ3 is 4x> a SSJ2. That is to say: a Saiyan's power is quadrupled when they transform from SSJ2 to SSJ3. Furthermore, Majin Vegeta noted that SSJ2 Goku was "stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell":
http://i.imgur.com/GBEYpyI.gif
ie. SSJ3 Goku(4x)>SSJ2 Goku>SSJ2 Gohan(Cell-era)

Ah k that makes sense, just wondering, you the master of multipliers.

So he gets one shotted🙂

Thanks

Originally posted by Galan007
True. Hell, a blind-sided USSJ attack could have really phucked Cell up, I'd wager.

The Z fighters are too quick to discard options that are merely limited. Probably due to the fact they do mostly think in terms of one on one fights.

Which is also likely why Krillin has some of the best techniques- he's one of the only ones who doesn't necessarily think in those terms.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah k that makes sense, just wondering, you the master of multipliers.

So he gets one shotted🙂

Thanks

Galan is the bomb. The spirit bomb. 😄

Hm, interesting that SSJ4 is another 'drains energy/time limit' one, but with a superior timeline to 3.

So in GT, SSJ3 is obsolete by that, but there'd still be a reason to improve on 4.

^ True, but it still takes a long time for SSJ4 to tax its user. That said, I think it would be fairly easy to master SSJ4.

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, interesting that SSJ4 is another 'drains energy/time limit' one, but with a superior timeline to 3.

So in GT, SSJ3 is obsolete by that, but there'd still be a reason to improve on 4.

The drain was so insignificant it can also be not called a drain at all. Also to note, that damn kid goku prolly didn't help by being as a kid for his base form. Like the time he forgot how to use instant transmission before the world was gonna blow up and piccolo forced him too remember how. 😆

I didn't get that part at all. He could remember how to change into SS and use kamehama, but forget instant transmission..what a blunder.

K another question about SS3...

I understand that it is 4X more powerful then SS2, but is that the multiplier for a fully powered SS3 (which we never saw), or is that the multiplier for when Goku initially transforms into a SS3 (but before he tries to fully powerup)?

If we take the fully powering up thing as him needing to create a large enough ki reserve/stamina in order to do anything, and not gaining more strength, then it would be a solid 4 for both.

You become a SSJ, and *poof*, you're automatically 50x>base. You become a SSJ2, and *poof*, you're automatically 2x>SSJ. So I can only assume that if you become a SSJ3, *poof*, you're automatically 4x>SSJ2. Fully powering up as a SSJ3(like Goku tried to do against Kid Buu, for example) logically would have just built upon the already present 4x multiplier. Like you said, though: we never got to see a full-power/all-out SSJ3, unfortunately. 🙁

Helping solidify the notion that SSJ3 Goku was 4x>SSJ2 when he initially transformed is the fact that everyone was utterly awestruck at his power, even though they'd just experienced his SSJ2-level power moments beforehand. There's also the fact that an extended battle with Vegeta as a SSJ2 didn't shorten his time on earth at all, whereas sustaining SSJ3 for just a few minutes almost completely depleted his remaining time. /shrug

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well based on the above Toriyama statement post-BotG, seems SSJ2 and 3 will become obsolete for Goku anyway, like Kaioken did before them.

I think his SSJ1 form post-BoG will be as strong as or stronger than SSJ3 form in the future.

Akira said that there are "gods" stronger than Beers and Whis, so expect new levels of Saiyan power to come in the future, especially now that AT has returned to continue the saga.