World Breaker Hulk vs Super Boy Prime

Started by Psychotron30 pages

Originally posted by Naija boy
To say that Hulk cant put down prime is nonsensical. Prime may have the universe survival feat but to use that as a basis for claiming some kind of absolute invulnerability to WBH attacks is extremely faulty. It would be like claiming Hyperion cause he survived dual universal destruction was subsequently unhurtable. Prime was consisitently hurt by characters much much physically weaker than WBH ranging from the likes of Superboy, to the flashes, Sodam Yat Ion. The teen titans, krypto etc. WBHs attacks would hurt him and hurt him something fierce.

In WBH we are talking about a character who as a side effect from a mid air collision.miles in the air...outright disintegrated multiple class 100 level beings (low herald-high herald level beings)....the dark dimension and realm of the mindless ones.......and the totality of the mindless ones themselves who were portrayed at a level where they in conjunction (note the term in conjunction)were too powerful for even Umar a skyfather level Hell-lord in her own realm, couldnt defeat them. All from the residual shockwave of a mid air collision...

The fact that these beings were so far from the epicentre of the impact and the fact that it was in mid air indicates that the force that acted upon these disintegrated characters was astronomically less than that which was at the actual impact point. The difference between the force felt at the surface level and that at the epicentre is made even more gargantuan due to the fact that the mindless ones are near countless in numbers and as a result, the force acting at the surface would be divided amongst the total number of beings it was acting upon. Hence Hulk provided even half the force at that epicentre is means that he was providing an astronomically larger amount of force than that which disintegrated, Armcheddon, Bi beast, Wendigo, the race of mindless ones portrayed powerfully enough to overwhelm Umar in her own realm,...and the dark dimension planet in conjunction with the realm of the mindless ones.
This is astronomically superior to simply destroying a planet by hitting it directly.

Also notable is the fact that Hulk himself survived the epicentre of the impact without a scathe...and was consistently portrayed at such a level in his limited appearances in this incarnation .unlike prime...who while powerful was consistently hurt by beings much weaker than WBh and that would likely have no impact on WBH at his peak in HOTM.

It's a nice feat for sure, but it's totally overblown. First, Hulk didn't do all of that under his own power, Red She-hulk supplied 50% of the power. Second, you say Umar couldn't deal with the mindless ones, yet she survived Hulk and Betty's mid-air collision just fine, while they could not. Again, it's a great feat, but it's nothing Prime couldn't replicate.

SBP has dozens of cheesy strength feats like that. Punching out of the Phantom Zone, the Retcon Punch, moving planets at ftl speeds, etc. And that's just strength, remember that Prime is fast enough to escape from the Speed Force (Barry needed to absorb the entire Force to return before him, and he was only seconds earlier), HV that can cut through Superman like a knife through butter (even while weakened), and uber durability that lets him punch through the Anti-Monitor and tank BA's punches with a smile. That's just too much for Hulk to deal with.

BTW, I have to laugh at your idea that a daximite with a power ring and Ion would be weaker than Hulk.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So Zeus is multiversal now?

😐 what does that have to do with what I said?

Originally posted by carver9
Yes...show me him powning Superman + Earth heros 'by himself'.

Show me him powning AntiMonitor.

Prime vs Ion + heroes:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/85728/2002810-green2.jpg

http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/Superboy_Prime04.jpg

Prime thrash anti-monitor

I can get more scans later if you want. (Legion of three worlds, Surviving a blast from COIE AM, etc)

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Prime vs Ion + heroes:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/85728/2002810-green2.jpg

http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/Superboy_Prime04.jpg

Prime thrash anti-monitor

I can get more scans later if you want. (Legion of three worlds, Surviving a blast from COIE AM, etc)

No need. I thought you said he beat them.

😐 AntiMonitor was near death when Prime did that to him. Are you really using that as Prime defeating him?

Originally posted by carver9
😐 what does that have to do with what I said?

If Zeus beats Hulk and Hulk tanks Hype, who is according to you Multiversal, Zeus has to be above it and Sun God too.

Originally posted by carver9
No need. I thought you said he beat them.

😐 AntiMonitor was near death when Prime did that to him. Are you really using that as Prime defeating him?

A guardian had to kill himself because that was the only way to stop prime. He was clearly winning, you're trying to troll or something?

Prime gave the final blow and finished him off.

Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Isn't that what he is doing? Hulk damaged a being with a single punch that withstood two universes exploding on him.

That's a cheese feat tho and not his average

Originally posted by Reflassshh
A guardian had to kill himself because that was the only way to stop prime. He was clearly winning, you're trying to troll or something?

Prime gave the final blow and finished him off.

Never said he wasn't winning and it's a good showing for him. I don't get your point though. Are you implying Hulk has never taken on teams as well and did good?

But he was near death when it happened though. It's not like AntiMonitor was fighting back or something.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
you're trying to troll or something?

It's either that or retardation.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's a cheese feat tho and not his average

Did you not read through the thread? It's a cheese ft that Prime withstood a universal attack as well and it sure as hell isn't his average. Read back and you'll see why I brought up the Hyperion showing.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you not read through the thread? It's a cheese ft that Prime withstood a universal attack as well and it sure as hell isn't his average. Read back and you'll see why I brought up the Hyperion showing.

So you're just using a tactic someone else used?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So you're just using a tactic someone else used?

Pretty much. Why not use Hulk damaging a universal level being (that we all know isn't consistently universal just like Prime isn't).

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. Why not use Hulk damaging a universal level being (that we all know isn't consistently universal just like Prime isn't).

Well the feats don't correlate for one. Seems like your straw grasping. Meh honestly for the most part i agree with u. Wbh is a good challenge for Prime on the surface but do to his lack of feats It's hard to gauge him against an established character.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you not read through the thread? It's a cheese ft that Prime withstood a universal attack as well and it sure as hell isn't his average. Read back and you'll see why I brought up the Hyperion showing.

Except he's done it more than once.

-tanking the Anti-Monitor's core
-tanking a nuclear explosion
-surviving a universe-destroying explosion
-no selling Black Adam's shots
-going through the core of a red star (which depowers him) and crashing on a planet
-battering through a 300 mile thick GL construct while going at FTL speed

Prime does this shit all the time. When Hyperion starts winning against a team like the GL corps, Sinestro corps, the Guardians and the heroes of Earth then you can compare him with Prime.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well the feats don't correlate for one. Seems like your straw grasping. Meh honestly for the most part i agree with u. Wbh is a good challenge for Prime on the surface but do to his lack of feats It's hard to gauge him against an established character.

Wouldn't call it grasping for straws...it's more of 'pointing out the hypocrites'. No one here would go into a Hyperion thread saying he wins because he has Universal plus durability. No one. But for some strange reason, when the argument suits them, Prime is walking around with Universal durability. I see it like this and I will always say this...if you're going to spoon feed one person, make sure you share it with the others. If Prime is walking around with Universal durability then Superman should get the same wealth...Black hole withstanding durability. Surfer should get the same wealth...black hole level durability. Hulk should get the same wealth, as durable as adamantium and tanking attacks that breaks atoms down on a subatomic level. Thor should get the same treatment...Neutron star durability. This shouldn't just be applied to one character. If we are going to stick to high showing as an average, that would change the forum entirely. So yeah, that's why I said what I said...at least be consistent. For some strange reason, when I brought up that not being Prime average (because it isn't)...people want to yell out that I'm lowballing.

By the way Sin, all of this wasn't directed at you.

WB Hulk doesn't have a chance.
SBP is way out of his league.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except he's done it more than once.

-tanking the Anti-Monitor's core
-tanking a nuclear explosion
-surviving a universe-destroying explosion
-no selling Black Adam's shots
-going through the core of a red star (which depowers him) and crashing on a planet
-battering through a 300 mile thick GL construct while going at FTL speed

Prime does this shit all the time. When Hyperion starts winning against a team like the GL corps, Sinestro corps, the Guardians and the heroes of Earth then you can compare him with Prime.

When did Prime beat the Guardians?

Who on the GL corps did he beat?

Sinestro corps? Do you have scans?

Prime does have good team showings...not taking away from that.

None of the stuff you named are comparable at all to a universal attack.

Originally posted by carver9
es have good team showings...not taking away from that.

None of the stuff you named are comparable at all to a universal attack.

Which Universal attack did Hulk survive? Scans?

Originally posted by carver9
When did Prime beat the Guardians?

Who on the GL corps did he beat?

Sinestro corps? Do you have scans?

Prime does have good team showings...not taking away from that.

None of the stuff you named are comparable at all to a universal attack.


When he was manhandling them to the point where one killed himself just to send him away.

He killed 32 Lanterns before SCW, and he killed some more in that event. Also, in the future Prime had devastated Oa.

Same with the Sinestro corps. He fought them both in SCW, and that's after kicking the Earth heroes' asses and wrecking Ion-powered Yat.

Yes, you are.

I didn't say it was, I'm merely providing evidence that Prime's durability is uber and that the universe-buster feat isn't a one time thing.

Originally posted by Psychotron
When he was manhandling them to the point where one killed himself just to send him away.

He killed 32 Lanterns before SCW, and he killed some more in that event. Also, in the future Prime had devastated Oa.

Same with the Sinestro corps. He fought them both in SCW, and that's after kicking the Earth heroes' asses and wrecking Ion-powered Yat.

Yes, you are.

I didn't say it was, I'm merely providing evidence that Prime's durability is uber and that the universe-buster feat isn't a one time thing.

You're talking about the part where he grabbed one by the neck and it self destruct? Is that the part you are talking about?

Which Lanterns? Kyle, Hal, John?

Prime is excellent at holding off teams. Not taking that away from him. Hulk has some outstanding team showings as well. Fought every team on the planet if we want to be direct.

Prime durability is uber. Doesn't mean Superman, Hal, or Superboy can't hurt him.