Originally posted by Reflassshh
No limits fallacy at its finest.Just because WB hulk "hasn't low showins" doesn't mean he is superior to prime. Prime's highest feats trump hulk's feats. that's a fact, flash fact.
You like to only talk about prime low showings while at the same time you admittedly haven't read his stories. That's not how fights should be debated.
Hulk will keep amping himself? That's good, prime just will hit him harder and faster until hulk is nothing more than a green pile of goo.
And if the Hulk far surpasses Prime's ability to deal damage?
Does another character need to have no limits to beat Prime?
Think before you type. The guys that affected Prime
would not have affected WB Hulk.
We argue averages here. On average WB Hulk had none.
I also said that i did not see all of Prime's feats. I saw many
of them.
The ones I saw, in no way places him above WB Hullk.
Any more baseless claims?
Originally posted by StoicYou don't seem to understand how averages work as you act like prime's low showings are the only ones that count.
And if the Hulk far surpasses Prime's ability to deal damage?Does another character need to have no limits to beat Prime?
Think before you type. The guys that affected Prime
would not have affected WB Hulk.We argue averages here. On average WB Hulk had none.
I also said that i did not see all of Prime's feats. I saw many
of them.The ones I saw, in no way places him above WB Hullk.
Any more baseless claims?
The feats posted in this thread are his average. yet you fail to see it because you didn't read his stories, you just have seen scans.
That's okay, It's your opinion after all. But let's flip this, what has WBH done to put him above an average prime?
Funny coming from you.
Originally posted by StoicThe satellite laser that KO'd WB Hulk wouldn't have singed Superboy Prime's suit. 🙂
And if the Hulk far surpasses Prime's ability to deal damage?Does another character need to have no limits to beat Prime?
Think before you type. The guys that affected Prime
would not have affected WB Hulk.We argue averages here. On average WB Hulk had none.
I also said that i did not see all of Prime's feats. I saw many
of them.The ones I saw, in no way places him above WB Hullk.
Any more baseless claims?
What i don't understand is, everything Prime has done, Hulk has done as well. Changing reality with his fist. Hulk has done that but he actually punched at thin air to achieve his whereas Prime had something to him.
Punching through a dimension. Hulk has done that as well, while weakened.
Tanking Antimatter...Hulk has done that. Hell, Hulk has fts better than that.
Breaking through a powerful force block. Hulk ripped the shielding of a skyfather apart with a thunder clap.
None of what was said is above something Hulk has done except Hulk has better when it comes to punching power and withstanding attacks from high tier beings.
That's if we play the same cards being dealt here to Prime and use nothing but high showings.
Forgot to add that Reed Richards himself was unable to measure WWH power.
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Originally posted by carver9
I know exactly what you're talking about. You said he was stomping the Guardian's though. Do you consider that "stomping"?I agree about the 'no names'.
Holding back against Hulk? Do you think the heros was going all out against Prime?
Why can't they put him down? He has been koed before.
He was literally manhandling one of them, as I said.
Doesn't make it less impressive. Sodam Yat was named and far above the other and Prime still rolled him.
Of course they were. They hated his guts, because he had a habit of, you know, killing their members.
Unless we're talking about that absolutely retarded final Teen Titans battle then Prime hasn't been KOed by anything short of a universe-buster.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Its not totally overblown at all. if anything it is continuously undersold by people who either cannot grasp why it is so impressive or willfully decide to ignore of the factors involved that make it so. In the post you replied to i already explained why even taking into account the fact that Hulk contributed only half the force required for the feat, it is exceedingly impressive.[B]In providing half the force at the the epicentre of a collision whose residual shockwave was capable of disintegrating herald level beings as well as a totality of beings capable of taking down a skyfather level charcater in their own realm...along with the realm itself.....Hulk himself still delivered exponentially exponentially more force than was contained within the shockwave itself that did the damage. Acknowledging that Betty also contributed half of the overall force does not denigrate Hulks contribution as the actual portion of the overall force that acted on the charcaters affected as well as the planet was far far (exponentially) less than half.Additionally, it was stated within the comic that Umar couldnt defeat the mindless ones under her own power, i didnt make that up. The fact that she was able to survive an attack that they couldnt does not in any way undermine that fact or invalidate it. Unlike the mindless ones, Umar possesses numerous other magical abilities beyond mere physical power and so could have survived the attack through a variety of ways. Furthermore, the singular burst of force involved in the WBH feat is not synonymous to a continuous battle with the mindless ones and so that comparison is absolutely irrelevant.
Also for the strength feats you mentioned regarding Prime, only the planet moving is of comparable scale and even then doesnt have the direct character comparison component. Some of the other like the phantom zone, and recton punch etc are unquantifiable and not good bases for comparisons.
Prime is the much faster character but assuming CIS is on as it us by default he will definitely get hit by Hulk as he was by the numerous characters well below his peak speed. And taking all his feats into account and not just selectively choosing extreme high end ones on which to make nonsensical inferences that go against the totality of his experiences on panel...he will be affected greatly.
While Prime does undoubtedly have great feats they are tempered by his being consistently being hurt by herald level characters (sometimes even lower) and characters who are physically far weaker than WBH. WBH on the other hand has no such issues as his portrayal was consistent in this regard as being far above the capability of herald level force output to even harm. Sodam Yat with the Ion power did absolutely nothing within the range of what WBH did so what I laugh at is your facile argument suggesting that he was in some way more powerful than WBH based off of fallacious reasoning and no demonstrable on panel feat from Yat proving otherwise. [/B]
You're overhyping the hell out of this feat. And if we're gonna hype up cheese feats, then Prime's planet moving is much more impressive. The amount of power it would take for a planet to go multiple times the speed of light is insane. Then there's the feat where he casually tossed the Anti-Monitor into another sector of the universe with sheer strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree with a lot you said, people don't really understand the magnitude of the feat. They simply believe it was a planet destroying feat when in actuality it was astronomically more than that. Basically destroying something from hundreds of yards away without making contact takes at least billions of times more force than destroying it through making direct contact.With that said, it is not always CIS that Prime sometimes gets hit by much slower beings. Sometimes Its just the writer ignoring his powers (super reflexes). Speed and reflexes must sometimes be ignored for the sake of the plot due to it making comics short and boring. That's why the flash example was used to explain the " fight at full capacity rule".
Prime does have some low showings though. But some of them can be easily dismissed as PIS, in which does not affect his overall portrayal (no PIS rule).
Superman himself has feats coming close to what WBH has done (holding at least 10 solar masses, surviving big bangs and super nova, etc) showing that it wouldn't be far fetch to believe at his highest that he can affect prime.So assuming Prime fights with full capacity and has a decent portion of his highest feats ability then this would be a good fight. I do believe that WBH would hit him harder than the other way around but I believe Prime would hit WB far more times. I believe the ratio of hits would be more than 10:1. So again, it's a decent fight either way.
I wouldn't quite go billions of times..
Let say when gladiator destroyed the planet with a punch. How big was his fist? It only touched 10 inches of the planet, the rest got destroyed by the force no?
Originally posted by Psychotron
You're overhyping the hell out of this feat. And if we're gonna hype up cheese feats, then Prime's planet moving is much more impressive. The amount of power it would take for a planet to go multiple times the speed of light is insane. Then there's the feat where he casually tossed the Anti-Monitor into another sector of the universe with sheer strength.
facepalm I didn't hype up anything....I explained the feat for what it was..You have no logical line of reasoning to downplay it so you its just convenient for you to yell "overhype" and "cheese" (despite the big part of the feat not being space cheese at all) and continue to ignore the unpleasant implications despite having no justification for it. Such baseless positions make further discussion pointless. Sadly such a response is not new and was expected quite frankly...smh
