World Breaker Hulk vs Super Boy Prime

Started by carver930 pages

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nah not stunned. His body position indicates laid out. Not saying for a long period of time, but definitely looks like he was.

I know that the artist did not always show his glowing eyes, but his body position coupled with his eyes seemingly closed(no indication of glowing eyes open in that particular panel)) won't help change my stance.

Empty speech bubble is a sign of him coming around from his brief sleep. 😛

Still don't see why you can't accept Nul/Hulk being briefly KO'd considering what Thor has KO'd in the past.

He's even knocked out the Phoenix entity in the past. Surely he can flash KO an amped Hulk.

Sigh

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh

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Thor pounds on Nul, trying to kill him.

"And now, you DIE". An all out Thor.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

What happens to Nul after this? Nothing. The guy is on his ft staring at Thor...letting him get up.

Thor pounded on Nul until he fatigued himself. If this isn't proof enough that he can't/couldn't drop Nul, I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor pounds on Nul, trying to kill him.

"And now, you DIE". An all out Thor.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

What happens to Nul after this? Nothing. The guy is on his ft.

Thor pounded on Nul until he fatigued himself. If this isn't proof enough that he can't/couldn't drop Nul, I don't know what to tell you.


Except he did. Briefly.

And that wasn't a 1v1. Let's not forget he just fought an army of the Serpent's goons then blasted/bfred by the Serpent right before that fight.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Except he did. Briefly.

And that wasn't a 1v1. Let's not forget he just fought an army of the Serpent's goons then blasted/bfred by the Serpent right before that fight.

Speech bubble says otherwise. Then, the speech bubble seen happened right after Hulk was bfred. The next panel we see Hulk, we see speech bubbles. No time had passed. Then afterwards we see Thor falling to the ground. That's the fastest wake up from a ko in existence. Not a single panel went by from the time he was launched into space until the time we see the speech bubble.

Serpent bfred him. The attack wasn't meant as a damaging attack. Don't think Thor said a word afterwards.

LOL at Hulk losing against a weakened Thor as proof that Hulk can beat Thor 😆

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Lol, Thor was dying when he fought Nul.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lol, Thor was dying when he fought Nul.

He was? Do you have a scan where it said he was dying? Probably missed that part. Was he dying when he killed Serpent? Or stalemated Surfer? Scans.

I could see minor details here and there for a reminder, but I shouldn't have to post scans of major, MAJOR plot points if you read the story. It was said implicitly multiple times that Thor was dying, pre, and during Fear Itself.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I could see minor details here and there for a reminder, but I shouldn't have to post scans of major, MAJOR plot points if you read the story. It was said implicitly multiple times that Thor was dying, pre, and during Fear Itself.

When? I know you're a Thor fan so you should have a scan of this. I read it but I don't remember 'everything'. Provide proof please or an issue number. I have every comic of fear itself, even the comics that are linked to fear/the tie ins and I don't remember that being said. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by carver9
Prime tanked the Universe attack? Also, again, Hulk would've tanked majority of the beatings that made Prime bleed. Example, Superboy.

So the first speech bubble means he was knocked out? So a knocked out person makes speech bubbles. Good point there mate.

😂 so now you change your argument? First you said it was all physical and now you are changing your stance. I provided a scan above with a clear indication of what's going on. We clearly see Hulk inside of the lightning being pushed upwards.

Again, you have not proven yet that he was koed. Nothing. Speech bubbles doesn't equal ko. Common sense. To bad he couldn't get the words out because he was in space and again, the same writer stated this version of Hulk has not been beaten. Again, prove that he wasn't at 100% after his battle against Thor. I'm going to say this to you again until it clicks in that skull of yours. Thor went all out on Nul and it did nothing. To the point that he was trying to kill Nul and he exerted so much energy that it fatigued him. Why would anything change from that point until the time he bfred Nul? Yes he retained that same injury while taking out a skyfather. Again, some injury huh?

Wait a minute. So every time something was measured in Herc, it was wrong? So when they said She Hulk had 0.13 Hercs in her, just enough to make one wish, they were lying? Even though she was only able to make one more wish like it was stated in the comic. So we ignore accuracy because you don't like it? When do we accept the Herc statements and when is it not acceptable since you are the be all end all of what is an accurate portrayal of what Pak was throwing at us? Was This a lie as well Pak?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901528/Incredible_Hulks_635_019.jpg.html

The reason Umar didn't die is because she is walking around with Dormammu powers. She is ruling the dark Dimension while he is powerless. Then she was also shielded. Never said Hulk could one shot kill a skyfather.

He survived it, and Hulk would have never laughed off Black Adam's attacks and he could never handle the Anti-Monitor or Guardians like Prime did.

People don't make make speech bubbles, carver, it's just a visual representation of what's happening. In this case it represented Hulk taking a dirt nap.

I'm changing nothing. I never denied Thor hit him with a lightning bolt, but it was the physical attack that sent Hulk flying. I'm still waiting for proof that Thor's lightning can suck people into the sky.

Common sense dictates that you can't talk in space, and Hulk knows this, so why would he try? It doesn't matter what the author said since Thor did defeat Hulk, the only thing we're discussing is if it was via bfr or bfr and a KO. Don't try to downplay Thor's injury, he killed the Serpent as was his destiny and he had the Odinsword. Also, are you actually suggesting Nul was more powerful than the Serpent?

Look, just because it was said in a comic doesn't mean it's true. Bullshit statements are made all the time. Now if you can provide some actual proof or feats of FFF being 17 times more powerful than Herc then we can talk.

She didn't just survive it, she was completely unharmed. If Hulk could actually melt a being 17 times more powerful than Herc (I don't think you realize just how strong that would be) like that, then he'd easily be a Skyfather himself. Even Thanos (the posterboy for trans tiers) needed multiple shots to kill Surfer, a being far less powerful than this supposedly 17x Hercules version of FFF. Someone that strong would have at least hurt Umar.

Originally posted by carver9
When? I know you're a Thor fan so you should have a scan of this. I read it but I don't remember 'everything'. Provide proof please or an issue number. I have every comic of fear itself, even the comics that are linked to fear/the tie ins and I don't remember that being said. I could be wrong though.

Being a fan doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the fact that you're so fervently debating a story that you probably haven't read. I don't read digital, so I don't really have many scans. I could probably take the time and try and find them, but I'm not going to. Ask anyone here that's read Fear Itself and they'll tell you Thor was dying. For shits sake the finale of the story is Thor finally succumbing to his wound, i don't know how you could just not remember that if you read FI and have every comic.

Originally posted by carver9
Speech bubble says otherwise. Then, the speech bubble seen happened right after Hulk was bfred. The next panel we see Hulk, we see speech bubbles. No time had passed. Then afterwards we see Thor falling to the ground. That's the fastest wake up from a ko in existence. Not a single panel went by from the time he was launched into space until the time we see the speech bubble.

Serpent bfred him. The attack wasn't meant as a damaging attack. Don't think Thor said a word afterwards.


Empty speech bubble with body language indicating laid out. Of course a short time has passed. He was punted from terra firma all the way to just outside the earth. He was coming around during reentry. It's not like he was just smacked a few hundred feet off the ground. I know it hurts, but just eat it up.

Except we see him bloodied as he got up. Also the impact of his landing created a significant damage of the surrounding area.
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Originally posted by Psychotron
He survived it, and Hulk would have never laughed off Black Adam's attacks and he could never handle the Anti-Monitor or Guardians like Prime did.

People don't make make speech bubbles, carver, it's just a visual representation of what's happening. In this case it represented Hulk taking a dirt nap.

I'm changing nothing. I never denied Thor hit him with a lightning bolt, but it was the physical attack that sent Hulk flying. I'm still waiting for proof that Thor's lightning can suck people into the sky.

Common sense dictates that you can't talk in space, and Hulk knows this, so why would he try? It doesn't matter what the author said since Thor did defeat Hulk, the only thing we're discussing is if it was via bfr or bfr and a KO. Don't try to downplay Thor's injury, he killed the Serpent as was his destiny and he had the Odinsword. Also, are you actually suggesting Nul was more powerful than the Serpent?

Look, just because it was said in a comic doesn't mean it's true. Bullshit statements are made all the time. Now if you can provide some actual proof or feats of FFF being 17 times more powerful than Herc then we can talk.

She didn't just survive it, she was completely unharmed. If Hulk could actually melt a being 17 times more powerful than Herc (I don't think you realize just how strong that would be) like that, then he'd easily be a Skyfather himself. Even Thanos (the posterboy for trans tiers) needed multiple shots to kill Surfer, a being far less powerful than this supposedly 17x Hercules version of FFF. Someone that strong would have at least hurt Umar.

Lol...why wouldn't he laugh off Black Adam punches when he withstood punches from two beings that have Savage Hulk level strength. One of these beings overpowered Thor twice in their first fight leading to Thor saying "he is as strong as Hulk".

This version of Hulk didn't have Banner intellect, so why wouldn't he try to talk? Also, you do know the speech bubble happened in the next panel right. No time had passed since he was thrown in space to the time he started talking. None whatsoever. Speech bubble is an indication of someone being awake, no sleep. Do you not understand this. We see the speech bubbles in the next panel.

You are changing your stance though and again, look at the drawing i showed you on the next page.

Hulk didn't punch her though. That's what you are missing. If Hulk would have hit her directly, you would have an argument but I don't think she would tank a direct hit from Hulk. Also, I don't think you know the power difference between a skyfather and a Herald. And again, she shielded herself from the attack. Do you know what a shield is?

Foom was amped. We got an indication of how powerful the amp made him. You can ignore Hulk ft if you want. Kind of like Prime showing. We didn't see the Universe get destroyed...we seen parts of it but the Narrator explained to us what happened. The people that doesn't like the ft...do they not accept it since 99.9 percent of the showing is based off of a statement? Don't be a hypocrite here my friend.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Being a fan doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the fact that you're so fervently debating a story that you probably haven't read. I don't read digital, so I don't really have many scans. I could probably take the time and try and find them, but I'm not going to. Ask anyone here that's read Fear Itself and they'll tell you Thor was dying. For shits sake the finale of the story is Thor finally succumbing to his wound, i don't know how you could just not remember that if you read FI and have every comic.

Finally succumbing to his wounds? Is that why he died? I thought this was the reason...

The only thing I'm asking you for is a scan backing your statement. Simple.

I demand you show me a single high end feat of WBH that trumps SBP high ender!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Empty speech bubble with body language indicating laid out. Of course a short time has passed. He was punted from terra firma all the way to just outside the earth. He was coming around during reentry. It's not like he was just smacked a few hundred feet off the ground. I know it hurts, but just eat it up.

Except we see him bloodied as he got up. Also the impact of his landing created a significant damage of the surrounding area.
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That isn't enough proof though. That wasn't the only time empty speech bubbles were used in fear...hell, this isn't the only time. Empty speech bubbles doesn't mean anything, especially in the vacuum of space where sound is void.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-10-20-11-20-23_zps9a87895f.png.html

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I demand you show me a single high end feat of WBH that trumps SBP high ender!

I can show you a low end ft from Hulk that's better than Prime low end.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...why wouldn't he laugh off Black Adam punches when he withstood punches from two beings that have Savage Hulk level strength. One of these beings overpowered Thor twice in their first fight leading to Thor saying "he is as strong as Hulk".

This version of Hulk didn't have Banner intellect, so why wouldn't he try to talk? Also, you do know the speech bubble happened in the next panel right. No time had passed since he was thrown in space to the time he started talking. None whatsoever. Speech bubble is an indication of someone being awake, no sleep. Do you not understand this. We see the speech bubbles in the next panel.

You are changing your stance though and again, look at the drawing i showed you on the next page.

Hulk didn't punch her though. That's what you are missing. If Hulk would have hit her directly, you would have an argument but I don't think she would tank a direct hit from Hulk. Also, I don't think you know the power difference between a skyfather and a Herald. And again, she shielded herself from the attack. Do you know what a shield is?

Foom was amped. We got an indication of how powerful the amp made him. You can ignore Hulk ft if you want. Kind of like Prime showing. We didn't see the Universe get destroyed...we seen parts of it but the Narrator explained to us what happened. The people that doesn't like the ft...do they not accept it since 99.9 percent of the showing is based off of a statement? Don't be a hypocrite here my friend.

Oh, so Hulk's gonna laugh off attacks from BA literally weeks after WW3? lol and I bet you think Hulk can take on Monarch, too.

You don't need to be a genius to know there's no air in space, carver. Nul was smart enough to form perfectly normal speech. A speech bubble can also be used to indicate someone is out or asleep like "..." Do you even read comics? And I'm still waiting for proof Thor's lightning sucks people into space btw.

You can hang that shit on your fridge, it doesn't mean squat.

Let me make this as simple as possible. An attack that can melt a being 17x more powerful than Hercules would definitely have an effect even on a skyfather, so either Umar is above skyfather (doubtful) or Hulk's attack just isn't that powerful.

Don't compare the two. Prime's been consistently shown to be outrageously powerful, things like busting out of the Phantom Zone, the Speed Force, moving around planets so fast they appear to be teleporting, etc. It fits. The statements about FFF being 17x Herc aren't backed by any feats. He's done nothing, it's all just hype.