Originally posted by Aurbere
Well, when I say Savage is the weak link, I'm saying that he's lacking in a few categories. Speed and skill being the ones that are usually pointed to.Basically, I have no doubt Savage could hold his own against any one of these opponents. But two or more at a time is too much, especially masters of this caliber.
What the Council can do now is isolate the two of them and use superior numbers to overwhelm them.
Sorry if it's incoherent, it's a bit late for me.
You're fine.
I'd personally say Savage's own skills are often downplayed--He is unfocused and animalistic, but he was still able to drive back a Council-level duelist in Adi Gallia mostly through his own blade work--He's been training under his brother for months by this point. And even before he was trained by the Sith or empowered by the nightsister's sorcery, he was able to rival Assaj Ventress in a hand to hand confrontation.
He's not his brother by any means, but he's a fairly competent duelist and has a fair share of raw power to back it up. I think he's one of the more underrated characters because of his early appearances and admitted lack of intelligence--But he's very talented--Enough so to definitively defeat two Council warriors in his short career.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's not his brother by any means, but he's a fairly competent duelist and has a fair share of raw power to back it up. I think he's one of the more underrated characters because of his early appearances and admitted lack of intelligence--But he's very talented--Enough so to definitively defeat two Council warriors in his short career.
Yes, he's very strong. It seemed a case where at first he did do very well, but then people seemed to get his number and be able to take advantage of his lesser experience more. Which still leaves him at quite a high level.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You're fine.I'd personally say Savage's own skills are often downplayed--He is unfocused and animalistic, but he was still able to drive back a Council-level duelist in Adi Gallia mostly through his own blade work--He's been training under his brother for months by this point. And even before he was trained by the Sith or empowered by the nightsister's sorcery, he was able to rival Assaj Ventress in a hand to hand confrontation.
He's not his brother by any means, but he's a fairly competent duelist and has a fair share of raw power to back it up. I think he's one of the more underrated characters because of his early appearances and admitted lack of intelligence--But he's very talented--Enough so to definitively defeat two Council warriors in his short career.
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And with clearly enough potential for Dooku to be really concerned about "Brothers."
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, he's very strong. It seemed a case where at first he did do very well, but then people seemed to get his number and be able to take advantage of his lesser experience more. Which still leaves him at quite a high level.
Only Obi-Wan who learned how to tackle him as far as I'm aware. But Obi-Wan did face him like 3-4 times.
Bear in mind Adi-Gallia also tried fighting him defensively and kicking him in the knee (Kenobi's method of taking him down) but with no success.
I just think his tremendous strength, backed by his beastly Tk, and the level of warrior skill he already had, is too much for most Jedi Masters (even most Council Members).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Only Obi-Wan who learned how to tackle him as far as I'm aware. But Obi-Wan did face him like 3-4 times.Bear in mind Adi-Gallia also tried fighting him defensively and kicking him in the knee (Kenobi's method of taking him down) but with no success.
Mind you, the attack got through just fine, it simply lacked the power!
Savage's holes were small enough that against *most* foes, toughness and power could compensate.
Adi Gallia herself was pretty impressive too, tbh. She was able to stalemate Grievous in both of their duels, and was singled out on TCWA amongst the council for having an unique and unorthodox fighting style. Defeating her, and Plo Koon before that, are good displays of Savage's combat effectiveness.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You're fine.I'd personally say Savage's own skills are often downplayed--He is unfocused and animalistic, but he was still able to drive back a Council-level duelist in Adi Gallia mostly through his own blade work--He's been training under his brother for months by this point. And even before he was trained by the Sith or empowered by the nightsister's sorcery, he was able to rival Assaj Ventress in a hand to hand confrontation.
He's not his brother by any means, but he's a fairly competent duelist and has a fair share of raw power to back it up. I think he's one of the more underrated characters because of his early appearances and admitted lack of intelligence--But he's very talented--Enough so to definitively defeat two Council warriors in his short career.
Yeah, he's pretty good, and I may have downplayed him. His victories over two Council masters is pretty impressive.
Still, I think the numbers game is too much for him. I'd say the Brothers had a better chance if it were just three.
I mean Opress has engaged Kenobi and Skywalker together. So he should easily be able to hold off 2 foes who are both inferior to him.
Maul can not only hold off 2 Council Members, but can most probably defeat them.
But yeah I agree Shaak Ti will be the big obstacle here for them, if we take the hype behind her as literal.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Adi Gallia herself was pretty impressive too, tbh. She was able to stalemate Grievous in both of their duels,
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I mean Opress has engaged Kenobi and Skywalker together. So he should easily be able to hold off 2 foes who are both inferior to him.
Looks like Savage's powers were a bit retconed in season 4 and 5. Even Adi was able to give him a good fight, and she lost only because of her lack of strenght.
Originally posted by Marco1907
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Yeah, she easily exceeds Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin in terms of canon feats.
Lol wut...she lost to him with that kick as shown.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I did, actually.Anyway, if you own a copy that says that, I'm curious--take a snapshot of the page and upload it. Don't need a scan or anything fancy like that.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Alright, the book I have was from 2005. My dad was able to get it only a couple weeks after released:
[b]"Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Cin Drallig or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?" [/B]
My apologies gents. I have it in my quotes library, and have LOE as the source. To settle this issue I just purchased the ebook to see if it is there and cannot locate it.
Originally posted by Str0ke
Yeah. For now on when discussing Grievous I'm only gonna use TCW/RotS+quotes supporting what TCW/RotS is trying to indicate (that he is at Council Member level).Help out on this one though;
And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.''
-Labyrinth of Evil"Power moves served you well on Hypori against Jedi such as Daakman Barrek and Tarr Seir. But I pity you should you have to face off against any of the Council Masters."
He called into hand his courtly, curve-handled lightsaber and drew a rapid X in the air - - a Makashi flourish.
"Do I need to demonstrate what responses you can expect from Shaak Ti or Obi-Wan Kenobi? From Mace Windu or, stars help you, Yoda?"
He flicked his blade quickly, ridding two of the guards of their staffs, then placing the glowing tip a millimeter from Grievous's death-helmeted visage.
"Finesse. Artfulness. Economy. Otherwise, my friend, I fear that you will end up beyond the repair of even the Geonosians. Do you take my meaning?"
Direct contradiction from the same source. I'm not arguing for the sake of it, just confused by Grievous' inconcistency.
^This is where I got the quote. It doesn't originate with me.