People who can defeat Sidious?

So for the first part, why would DE Sidious not be assumed? We don't treat everyone else that way, why treat Sidious any different. Unless specified, it's prime Sidious.

Originally posted by ares834
Yoda can't beat him. He stalemated a weaker version.

That doesn't mean he can't beat him. A stalemate could have been a victory had a few chips fallen differently.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yoda wasn't in his prime either

^and this.

Take a significant minority:
- Darth Caedus
- Orbalisk Bane (sabers only)
- Vitiate (force only, against Sidious's PT incarnation)
- Plagueis (force only, against PT Sidious)
- Mace Windu (if he's time to sink into vapaad)

Take a majority:
- prime Yoda? (pre-DE)
- prime Galen Marek?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I believe Yoda was at his peak in regards to force power during ROTS.

I do believe Yoda has said that his TK has declined, given that he cannot lift as many of those weird balls as he once could. At some point Yoda's strength in the Force would have peaked, and it probably peaked sometime long before the PT, and then one's deteriorating body decreases the exertion that one can perform with the Force. Given that Yoda was literally two decades away from his death bed in RotS, it stands to reason that a healthy young Yoda - like, just 300-400 years of age, would have comfortably handled Sidious. Yoda has that rare advantage of his physical and Force primes potentially intersecting.

Mace.

Sidious speed blitzes everyone else.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
That doesn't mean he can't beat him. A stalemate could have been a victory had a few chips fallen differently.

As I specified he stalemated a "weaker" version. He won't be able to defeat DE Sheev.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Mace.

Sidious speed blitzes everyone else.

He speedblizes Mace as well. He was holding back massively in that fight and just toying with him.

Originally posted by ares834
He speedblizes Mace as well. He was holding back massively in that fight and just toying with him.

Literally every canon source and basic common sense tell us otherwise.

Granted, he still may speedblitz Mace.

Oops, forgot to press the sarcasm button...

Originally posted by ares834
He speedblizes Mace as well. He was holding back massively in that fight and just toying with him.

Sidious holding back is not conclusively proven. On the other hand, Mace being massively amped is.

Originally posted by ares834
Oops, forgot to press the sarcasm button...

Originally posted by ares834

Oops, sorry for misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Nephthys
😄

You're welcome.

I also think Grandmaster Satele Shan could beat Palpatine.

Originally posted by ares834
He speedblizes Mace as well. He was holding back massively in that fight and just toying with him.

No. He had a serious expression, I.e. He wasn't toying with Mace.

With Yoda on the other hand... Sidious was clearly toying there. The laughter and smiley face proves that.

Nihilus stomps sidious 10/10 via force connection devour or TK ragdoll

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You're welcome.

I also think Grandmaster Satele Shan could beat Palpatine.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nihilus stomps sidious 10/10 via force connection devour or TK ragdoll

🐰

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

With Yoda on the other hand... Sidious was clearly toying there. The laughter and smiley face proves that.

👆

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I lol'd.

Why?

Remember Satele Shan is roughly on par with Yoda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRo6m_W-ro8&list=PLIA1zt8Lh3E2KMMayynCiC4ytzJLDwYXY

She could definitely get in at least a few wins against Palpatine.

Yoda level?! You're killing me, guy! 😆

Mace... Yoda for starters