Sidious stomps. None of them can defend against his speed if he is not toying, and none of them can avoid being fried by Lightning (and no, Dooku and Maul would not fare better than Vader against it), not to mention that he can stomp at least two of them together with TK, which would leave the other alone to be wrecked as well. DE Sidious wins even more easily with his Force Wormhole, which, again, none of them can defend against or counter, and I seriously doubt they could use Force Harmony like Luke or Leia.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
none of them can avoid being fried by Lightning
I've always found the assumption that Vader is by default defenseless against Force lightning pretty silly, particularly in light of his performance in TUF, and based entirely on the fact that he cannot withstand Sidious's lightning while he has his arms around his waist and is throwing him down a reactor shaft.
Originally posted by Skybreaker
I've always found the assumption that Vader is by default defenseless against Force lightning pretty silly, particularly in light of his performance in TUF, and based entirely on the fact that he cannot withstand Sidious's lightning while he has his arms around his waist and is throwing him down a reactor shaft.
I think you're arguing with the wrong person. I am actually one of those people who argue against that misconception, and Vader's feats (tanking the Starkiller clone's Lightning, tanking a Dark Jedi's Lightning+TK blast, etc) exceed anything Maul and Dooku have shown in this regard. The point is that Vader is facing the most powerful Sith Lord ever, and he, just like the other two, can't defend against Lightning as powerful as Palpatine's.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
The point is that Vader is facing the most powerful Sith Lord ever, and he, just like the other two, can't defend against Lightning as powerful as Palpatine's.
If his lightning fails to overpower Windu at point blank, the Sidious of RotS is going to struggle to overcome a Vader that is 80% of the Palpatine we see in RotJ. He isn't going to overpower them all at the same time, and the others aren't just going to stand there and watch.
The difference being that Vader will have to actively absorb all of the Lightning. Lightning that was getting progressively stronger well before Sidious' completely mastered his Force abilities, which was some time after RotS. So while RotS sidious might fall, RotJ Sidious probably won't using this tactic.
Originally posted by ares834
Sidious sure as hell isn't stomping.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The difference being that Vader will have to actively absorb all of the Lightning.
Which he only has to do for long enough for the other two to lunge in and kill their master, ie, 3 seconds.
Lightning that was getting progressively stronger well before Sidious' completely mastered his Force abilities, which was some time after RotS. So while RotS sidious might fall, RotJ Sidious probably won't using this tactic.
What tactic is he going to use, then? He can ragdoll Maul and possibly Dooku, or possibly even both, but Vader here presents a far tougher cookie to crack, and just the slightest opening is enough for someone to stick a lightsaber through his guts.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Apprentices in a very close fight.Are you f**** kidding me ? Even Savage tagged Sidious...
But other than that I agree. This is a very close figth. As I see it:
1) RotS Sidious might actually lose more often than not. The team's combined force-power is just too much.
2) RotJ Sidious: it's 50/50 split
3) DE Sidious wins this.