Originally posted by Selenial
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Sel, I'm not using double-standards here. If i wanted to wank that Argument, i'd have used it with Jaden. Look at my debate with Bantha, i have not used it. I don't use it in any arguments i've had, not to lowball characters nor to make a character seem even more impressive. It's not my style.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Cool. Thanks Fated.
No problem, gotta give credit when credit is due. Cheers!
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm curious, why not?
Harth's mansion was not on a nexus, so it's completely inapplicable as an argument there.
If you really want to be that guy and spam the nexus argument for Xaj, that was a decade before her peak with the power.
Basically it just lacks an impact here.
Jaina never actually fought Abeloth.... as if that was even a requirement, when she got desperate she attempted to mind dominate Luke and it failed, then she attacked 'all the jedi council members', guess what Jaina was at the time.
That is when her avatars started getting wrecked, she wasted a ton of Force energy in the attempt.
This is not even including Jaina being able to endure the Yuuzhan Vong devices without breaking, something that attacks the mind as well as the body.
It also ignores the fact that the Dark Force Temple itself is canonically stated to be 'heavily steeped in illusions and nightmares'.
She has also used her raw will power to fix Tahiri Veila's broken mind and piece her back together.
Also, she was joined to the Killik Hivemind and is stated to have immense willpower, due to the fact that she wasn't simply completely dominated by this experience, even more impressive was her ability to unjoin later on.
For some reason people seem to think that Darth Zannah is the greatest illusionist in the history of the Sith Order and yet people ignore that great big lake of Dark Side energy she was practically swimming in.
Are we forgetting that she essentially won the fight against Bane because of said Nexus?
She will have no such amp here and taking her only other successful illusion against a genuinely strong Force User into account: Sarro Xaj, who completely ignored force training like his master Raskta Lsu and focused entirely on lightsaber combat.
I do not see how Jaina Solo a Battle-Meld, Memory Rub and Shatterpoint master is going to be one-shotted.
I do believe it will have some debilitating effects on her but she is one of the most highly skilled and trained combatants in the lore.
Master lightsaber duelist equal of anyone in the entire New Jedi Order? check.
Trained in Mandalorian combat tactics and techniques by Boba ****ing Fett himself? check.
Decades of war experience? check.
Praised by the greatest Force User in the entirety of lore? check.
COMPARED to the greatest Force User in the entirety of lore in lightsaber skill? check.
Praised by arguably the second most powerful Sith Lord in the entirety of lore and an evidently comparable duelist to Darth Sidious himself? check.
Stated by Kyle Katarn a battlemaster and her own master Kyp Durron to be superior to themselves in lightsaber combat? check.
Sorry but I don't see how Zannah even comes close to beating her in combat.
You don't take four Mandalorians specifically trained to kill Jedi Knights and evidently wearing Beskar armor, without a single sustained blow if you aren't an exceptionally masterful duelist.
You don't take three Sith Sabers all amped on Dromund Kaas, whilst suffering under the effects of said nexus without sustaining a single blow if you aren't a master in defensive and offensive lightsaber combat.
Jaina definitely takes the saber category and considering Jaina's mental prowess I also give Jaina the Force edge because literally all of them are directly applied to combat.
She isn't the Sword of the Jedi just for a gimmick, she is the Sword of the Jedi because she is, and I quote 'the champion of the Jedi Order's future'.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Jaina never actually fought Abeloth.... as if that was even a requirement, when she got desperate she attempted to mind dominate Luke and it failed, then she attacked 'all the jedi council members', guess what Jaina was at the time.
Regardless, it would be a mental attack split up between multiple people.
Originally posted by AncientPower
This is not even including Jaina being able to endure the Yuuzhan Vong devices without breaking, something that attacks the mind as well as the body.
Some proof for your claim about the torture devices attacking the mind would also be great.
Originally posted by AncientPower
It also ignores the fact that the Dark Force Temple itself is canonically stated to be 'heavily steeped in illusions and nightmares'.
Originally posted by AncientPower
She has also used her raw will power to fix Tahiri Veila's broken mind and piece her back together.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Also, she was joined to the Killik Hivemind and is stated to have immense willpower, due to the fact that she wasn't simply completely dominated by this experience,
Originally posted by AncientPower
even more impressive was her ability to unjoin later on.
Originally posted by AncientPower
For some reason people seem to think that Darth Zannah is the greatest illusionist in the history of the Sith Order and yet people ignore that great big lake of Dark Side energy she was practically swimming in. Are we forgetting that she essentially won the fight against Bane because of said Nexus? She will have no such amp here and taking her only other successful illusion against a genuinely strong Force User into account: Sarro Xaj, who completely ignored force training like his master Raskta Lsu and focused entirely on lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I do not see how Jaina Solo a Battle-Meld, Memory Rub and Shatterpoint master is going to be one-shotted.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I do believe it will have some debilitating effects on her but she is one of the most highly skilled and trained combatants in the lore.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I know, the "nexus" was inaccessible and sealed until Zannah busted out the tentacles and neither were drawing on it until that point. I'm just saying that if either were amped then it makes no sense for the other not to be. 👆
That is also not what I meant, but thanks got arguing against yourself for me 😛
Hello, My KMC users, so it has come to my attention that the former user known as Intrepid has been ****ing with my Thread, voting for both sides and pretty much screwing with the poll. Evidence:
[11:40:43] Fated Xtasy joined the chat on Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:40 am
[11:40:47] @ Fated Xtasy : Hey Jack
[11:40:49] @ Fated Xtasy : *******
[11:40:57] Jack II joined the chat on Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:40 am
[11:41:06] @ Fated Xtasy : How about you stop trolling my thread please
[11:41:08] Jack II : wtf calling me ******* for no reason
[11:41:31] @ Fated Xtasy : You're trolling my thread by voting for both sides
[11:41:38] @ Fated Xtasy : Quit it, please
[11:41:45] Jack II : Lmfao
[11:41:49] Jack II : no
[11:41:52] Jack II : i can do what i want
[11:41:58] @ Fated Xtasy : Yeah?
[11:42:12] @ Fated Xtasy : Well sweety im afraid you can't do this 🙂
[11:42:28] Jack II has been banned by Fated Xtasy
[11:42:36] @ Fated Xtasy : Get ****ing wrecked
[11:43:14] @ Fated Xtasy : Oh and thank you ever so kindly for giving just what i needed. Oh And **** you
[11:43:44] Emperordmb joined the chat on Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:43 am
[11:44:10] Emperordmb : well that escalated quickly
[11:44:25] @ Fated Xtasy : Get wrecked *******
Yeah, so I'm more than a bit angry atm, So because this little lifeless troll screwed with my thread, with the work that Sel and Dmb did to get me the info for both characters. I'm going to decide the victor. The polls - as seen here, are not to be trusted anymore(sadly) My apologies to everyone for the idiotic actions of this troll. I hope you have a wonderful day, or at least one better than mine 🙂
Edit: for those curious, i'm calling jack an @sshole
Zannah is outskilled, slower, weaker, and nowhere near as powerful in the force. I loled at Zannah winning Via illusions when there is no reason to believe they'd affect Jaina being that she has no past issues, no inner demons, or anything that Zannah could attack.
Jaina wins via massively superior skill.