Second Place Sith Lord Battle #3: Darth Caedus vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Skybreaker
You've "exposed" nothing; you've flung out ridiculous accusations in place of actually debating the subject matter.

^my point exactly. You decide to ignore all supporting logic and evidence provided for an assertion by just smugly declaring that nobody's provided any supporting logic or evidence for said assertion. 🙄

Oh please, what are we, kindergarteners again? My "opinion" has been supported with warrants that you've decided to pretend do not exist. Go back and actually address them, and quit playing this game.

Oh, nothing? Nothing but the fact that Revan knocked his regular lightning back at him, and put him on his ass with it?

Because you say so?

You've tried to.

It took him enough time for Revan to deactivate his lightsaber, hold his hands in front of him and gather his own energy.

Ooohhh, he's managed to duel "very capable combatants"! 🙄

Keep repeating the same thing as long as you want. I've already explained to you why Vitiate isnt as desperate as you think. His actions against the strike team is all you need to know.

After Hot defeats Scourge and Braga addresses the Emperor, he jumps down and gets closer to them. When the strike team starts to approach him, he casts an FLS INSTANTLY and it is powerful enough to back off the powerful members of the group like HoT and Tol Braga and stun the inferior ones. Its a massive aoe attack inflicted on several combatants and it was summoned without charging. After keeping them where he wants them, he charges a new attack while he simultaneously keeps on feeding the FLS with more energy. After he unleashes the second attack, the group is done.

There is the proof @ 9:00

He could've stayed up there on his throne and cast a force lightning from there while they run to him. Its the perfect set-up for him yet he decides to confront them from a closer distance and is able to instantly cast an FLS strong enough to achieve what he wanted against a challenging opposition.

He can unleash a more concentrated version of his FLS on Caedus and do the exact same to him unless you think Caedus is fast enough to come closer to Vitiate and cut him down before Vitiate can react. If that's the case, tell me now so I don't waste anymore of my time here.

"Your wanking is insignificant. Let your concession be the same."

Originally posted by Sinious
His actions against the strike team is all you need to know.

What the hell do the actions of a more powerful TOR Vitiate against the strike team have to do with his performance against Revan? What the hell does it have to do with his hypothetical performance against Caedus? Your reply once again conveniently ignores Vitiate's need to gather his energy to overpower Revan by trying to appeal to his performance against an assortment of less powerful individuals, and then arbitrarily suggest that Caedus would fall to the same fate. You can try to deflect the point of the matter with these smokescreens all you want; at the end of the day, this battle ends with Vitiate's head on the floor.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
What the hell do the actions of a more powerful TOR Vitiate against the strike team have to do with his performance against Revan? What the hell does it have to do with his hypothetical performance against Caedus? Your reply once again conveniently ignores Vitiate's need to gather his energy to overpower Revan by trying to appeal to his performance against an assortment of less powerful individuals, and then arbitrarily suggest that Caedus would fall to the same fate. You can try to deflect the point of the matter with these smokescreens all you want; at the end of the day, this battle ends with Vitiate's head on the floor.

Oh I thought we were allowed to hint facts based on logic since its obvious that Vitiate didnt double his power after Revan and was able to defeat a more challenging opposition without charging his attack.

Oh btw, I never denied that Vitiate sometimes choses to charge his power. The important thing is that he can do it fast enough.

" The Emperor rose to his feet, his robes smoking and singed where the lighting had struck him. His black eyes flashed red, and he raised both hands high above his head.
Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault , he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack.
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan’s body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him."

Originally posted by Sinious
since its obvious that Vitiate didnt double his power after Revan

You try to sidestep your way through the fact that we're comparing two different Vitiates by positing an extreme strawman (doubling his power!) and then dismissing it out of your own incredulity. Nobody's falling for it. Try again.

and was able to defeat a more challenging opposition without charging his attack.

A more challenging opposition? Says who?

Oh btw, I never denied that Vitiate sometimes choses to charge his power.

That wasn't the point. The point was that Vitiate needed to charge his power against Revan.

" The Emperor rose to his feet, his robes smoking and singed where the lighting had struck him. His black eyes flashed red, and he raised both hands high above his head.
Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault , he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack.
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan’s body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him."

Yeah, let's pretend bolding a few vague words and phrases constitutes an argument for you, and thanks for conceding that Vitiate owes his victory over Revan to the size of the battlefield. Let's just pretend that, were Vitiate to try this against Caedus, the latter would have absolutely no options but to stand there and try to absorb the attack, as though he has no lightsaber or lightning of his own. I would have guessed that Vitiate would get a lightsaber thrown through his gut were he to try this, though I'm obviously missing something important.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
A more challenging opposition? Says who?

The Jedi Strike Team > The Imperial Strike Team that beat Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Jedi Strike Team > The Imperial Strike Team that beat Revan.

Let's pretend that Revan would be at full power after having been confined and tortured for several centuries.

Lets pretend that he didn't have plenty of time to recover and the greatest means to do so available.

Plus he had been confined and tortured in Revan too and was fine.

Note that during the Foundry fight majority of it was only Dark!Revan (the guy who took on Vitiate and the Dread Master's full force), who was also in a constant mental war with Light!Revan. Despite this, it is stated he nearly almost killed the Strike Team. Highly impressive.

Nah.

Please enlighten me where anything I said was not true, because everything I said was directly from the new expansion's dialogue.

Light!Revan: "You've been so blinded by your unchecked rage, your thirst for vengeance, that you could not see the truth." />
Light!Revan: "Now that your power has subsided, I may finally confront you. I only hope you will listen." />
TOR Protag: "You're both Revan." />
Light!Revan: "Yes, though neither of us is truly Revan." />
TOR Protag: "What exactly is happening here?" />
Light!Revan: "When I died, I had come to terms. I was ready to become one with the Force. But I soon realized that was only what part of me wanted." />
Dark!Revan!: "I cast you out! It was the only way to go on--to remain and finish what we started! You were holding me back!" />

Theres no mention of a mental war before that point to my knowledge.

Originally posted by Skybreaker

Yeah, let's pretend bolding a few vague words and phrases constitutes an argument for you, and thanks for conceding that Vitiate owes his victory over Revan to the size of the battlefield. Let's just pretend that, were Vitiate to try this against Caedus, the latter would have absolutely no options but to stand there and try to absorb the attack, as though he has no lightsaber or lightning of his own. I would have guessed that Vitiate would get a lightsaber thrown through his gut were he to try this, though I'm obviously missing something important.

Wow dude serisouly, bravo. You've found a lame ass excuse to ignore every detailed feat I've given you and then blamed me with playing with words and avoiding the subject with each your post where that is exactly what you did. I've given you several accomplishments of Vitiate to prove my point to you were all you did was kept on yapping about your assumptions that have no value here. 👆

I'm done trying to convince someone who holds his own assumptions higher than actual showings.

Even Carthage wasn't this bad 😆

Originally posted by Sinious
I've given you several accomplishments of Vitiate to prove my point

Your ability to link to youtube videos (which you, in your intellectual limitations, think constitutes "detailed" evidence) does not f*cking matter when those videos have nothing to do with the points of contention. Linking to a more powerful Vitiate dealing with a Jedi strike team has nothing to do with his performance against Revan, and it has nothing to do with his ability to face Caedus. That you try to reply to the particular criticisms of your argument by vaguely waving your hand about assumptions and whatever is just evidence that you're a f*cking idiot who probably lives in his mother's basement. Who knew?

(Seriously, you just vaguely wave your hand and assume that the Vitiate of the revan novel and the Vitiate of TOR are identical in power, and then you vaguely wave your hand and claim that I am making assumptions here? How f*cking pathetic is that?)

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Your ability to link to youtube videos (which you, in your intellectual limitations, think constitutes "detailed" evidence) does not f*cking matter when those videos [b]have nothing to do with the points of contention. Linking to a more powerful Vitiate dealing with a Jedi strike team has nothing to do with his performance against Revan, and it has nothing to do with his ability to face Caedus. That you try to reply to the particular criticisms of your argument by vaguely waving your hand about assumptions and whatever is just evidence that

(Seriously, you just vaguely wave your hand and assume that the Vitiate of the revan novel and the Vitiate of TOR are identical in power, and then you vaguely wave your hand and claim that I am making assumptions here? How f*cking pathetic is that?) [/B]

Calm down pumpkin, I didnt mean to hurt your tiny feelings.

I was talking about the the author of the novel REVAN who freakin wrote the fight between Vitiate and Revan and who specifically stated that Vitiate was fast enough to unleash an attack powerful enough to defeat Revan before he could reach him. Oh btw, there isnt a single time where he says anything about a long ass charging there. Read the text I've posted again, if you're capable of reading of course. 😂

you're a f*cking idiot who probably lives in his mother's basement. Who knew?

You'd be surprised where I live buddy. 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
I was talking about the the author of the novel REVAN who freakin wrote the fight between Vitiate and Revan and who specifically stated that Vitiate was fast enough to unleash an attack powerful enough to defeat Revan before he could reach him.

Actually, you were making weird references to Vitiate's performances against strike teams in TOR, and then conveniently sort of let that go when you realized that you couldn't actually connect that point to anything relevant to the thread topic.

Oh btw, there isnt a single time where he says anything about a long ass charging there.

Since I never qualified my point with "long ass", I guess you're just appealing to more strawman points, yet again. But good job completely ignoring my point that Caedus would not just stand there and let Vitiate charge his attacks, and that he would have various methods of getting to him before such an event occurred. It perhaps should not surprise me that you basically wait for two replies and then reset the discussion by pretending that I haven't addressed this point already, so that you can just copy-paste your argument and pretend that nobody's looked at it. 🙄

Vitiate's insta-lightning is strong enough pumpkin. We can keep doing this as long as you want. Just try to control your nerves though. I don't like to interact with immature people.

Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate's insta-lightning is strong enough pumpkin.

Yeah, notice how you just state this, without any supporting warrants or evidence? Notice how you ignore, time and time again, the observation that his insta-lightning not only was insufficient to take on Revan (even in a DS nexus), but got him knocked on his ass? Your trying to pad your post with some silly ad hominems doesn't divert attention away from this observation.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Yeah, notice how you just state this, without any supporting warrants or evidence? Notice how you ignore, time and time again, the observation that his insta-lightning not only was insufficient to take on Revan (even in a DS nexus), but got him knocked on his ass? Your trying to pad your post with some silly ad hominems doesn't divert attention away from this observation.

I see now that this guy hasn't even read the novel. 😬

Originally posted by Sinious
I see now that this guy hasn't even read the novel. 😬

I actually have read the novel. But yeah, you continue to use any rhetorical technique you can muster to pretend and insinuate that you know what you're talking about, instead of actually outlining your argument in an intelligible manner. Your bluffing is horribly ineffective and just serves to make you seem more pathetic with every cringe-inducing post I have to read.

The fact of the matter is, Vitiate tried sending bolts of lightning at Revan, and the Jedi knocked one back at Vitiate, hitting him in the chest and knocking him on his ass. This has been pointed out to you on multiple occasions, and with each you have outright ignored me. Trying to cleverly reply to me in the third person doesn't make you look any less foolish.

Just kiss already.