Maul and Kenobi vs. Dooku (Sabers only)

Started by KuRuPT Thanosi4 pages

Maul and Kenobi vs. Dooku (Sabers only)

who wins this fight?

I actually meant for Dooku to have Ventress on his team as well but still sabers only. Who wins.

Team wins solidly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I actually meant for Dooku to have Ventress on his team as well but still sabers only. Who wins.

I was going to say Maul+Kenobi stomp. But Ventress evens the odds.

I think Dooku's solidly above Maul and Kenobi individually but Maul and Kenobi are solidly above Ventress individually as well.

So dunno. Leaning towards Dooku and Ventress since Dooku is the best swordsman here.

Good match up.

What does "solidly" mean on this site, exactly?

Originally posted by ILS
What does "solidly" mean on this site, exactly?

Anything from mid difficulty to stomp.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I was going to say Maul+Kenobi stomp. But Ventress evens the odds.

I think Dooku's solidly above Maul and Kenobi individually but Maul and Kenobi are solidly above Ventress individually as well.

So dunno. Leaning towards Dooku and Ventress since Dooku is the best swordsman here.

Good match up.

I agree with this. If we add Ventress in, then Team 2 would have a better chance. Dooku can beat either of them on his own, so all Ventress has to do is defend herself until Dooku finishes up with whoever he fights.

I give it to Ventress and Dooku - both have good offensive prowess, so they can quickly gank either of the opponents. Kenobi due to his defensive style simply will not be able to give enough assistance to Maul to quickly take down either of opponents.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I was going to say Maul+Kenobi stomp. But Ventress evens the odds.

Is Maul that good? We can assume, that Anakin is at least in Maul's league, and his teamwork with Kenobi is much better. And they both were far from stomp Dooku in their duels.

Originally posted by McP
Is Maul that good? We can assume, that Anakin is at least in Maul's league, and his teamwork with Kenobi is much better. And they both were far from stomp Dooku in their duels.

Actually both Kenobi and Anakin seem to underperform together during the TCW and ROTS.

Dooku is a tier 9 duelist. Maul, Kenobi and Ventress are all tier 8s. Maul and Kenobi would most certainly take Dooku in a 2v1 and you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Dooku and Ventress would be able to defeat these two in an extremely hard-fought duel.

So Emokin is tier 9 but even TCW Maul is not 9 ? .... That defies the logic.

TCW Maul is certainly tier 9. I am sure Nick Gillard would agree with this especially after the Maul vs. Sidious duel. Or when the time Maul stomped Savage. Or when he fight with Mace Windu etc.

Originally posted by ILS
Dooku is a tier 9 duelist. Maul, Kenobi and Ventress are all tier 8s. Maul and Kenobi would most certainly take Dooku in a 2v1 and you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Dooku might be able to dispatch Kenobi in the early stage of duel. If he will do that before he will becaome tired, then he should be able to defeat Maul in one vs one battle.

Originally posted by Marco1907
So Emokin is tier 9 but even TCW Maul is not 9 ? .... That defies the logic.

TCW Maul is certainly tier 9. I am sure Nick Gillard would agree with this especially after the Maul vs. Sidious duel. Or when the time Maul stomped Savage.

^ lol

Originally posted by ILS
Dooku is a tier 9 duelist. Maul, Kenobi and Ventress are all tier 8s. Maul and Kenobi would most certainly take Dooku in a 2v1 and you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Where are you pulling these numbers from?

Ah numbers belong to Nick Gillard.

Same Gillard also said Obi-Wan and Emokin matched each other perfectly, so that is kind of inconsistent in my point of view.

Not to mention tier 9 Emokin let Dooku to ragdoll Obi-Wan while they were fighting 2 v 1....

Does it make sense? ? Hell no. Emokin was tier 8 just like Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by ares834
Where are you pulling these numbers from?

Gillard's statement about tiering was the foundation for it, but over at CV we have most characters established on a certain dueling tier, based on their overall feats.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Not to mention tier 9 Emokin let Dooku to ragdoll Obi-Wan while they were fighting 2 v 1....

Does it make sense? ? Hell no. Emokin was tier 8 just like Obi-Wan.

Both Anakin and Obi-Wan started their duel with Dooku as level 8 duelists. During the fight, after Dooku's taunts, he became level 9 duelist. It continues, I believie, to his raid on the Temple. As a level 9 he killed Drallig with total ease. After that, he became conflicted a bit, and "Padme's and Kenobi's betrayal" finally mind****ed him. He wasn't ready mentally to face Kenobi.

Anyway, after season 6 of TCW and SoD, I'm not sure if this Gillard's quote is still a reliable source.

Originally posted by McP
Both Anakin and Obi-Wan started their duel with Dooku as level 8 duelists. During the fight, after Dooku's taunts, he became level 9 duelist. It continues, I believie, to his raid on the Temple. As a level 9 he killed Drallig with total ease. After that, he became conflicted a bit, and "Padme's and Kenobi's betrayal" finally mind****ed him. He wasn't ready mentally to face Kenobi.

Yeah I agree with this. He was not ready for being level 9. Drallig doesn't have any dueling feats though, army of 501 did the job at the temple. And what do you think about TCW Maul ? He should be level 9 after his power up in TCW.

I think that Maul was still level 8 duelist. I believe him to be Kenobi's equal in sabers, and superior with the Force.
I just doubt, that Dooku and Windu are level 9 at this moment. Especially after SoD - Windu couldn't defeat Talzin (or even forced her onto defensive), and Sidious has beaten her while she was controling Dooku's body. She had full control over his body, her skills and was quite safe, since I doubt that Sidious wanted to kill Dooku. And Sidious disarmed her with total ease.
More then that, Maul did very well against Windu and Secura.

And excluding his duel with Sidious and some hype, Mace has nothing that would place him in Yoda's and Sidious' league.
As a duelist he couldn't even find any advantage over Bulq. Still, he was second only to Yoda in the Order, but I doubt, that he was in the same league.