Originally posted by ILS
What advantage did Eeth Koth have over Grievous aside from TKing him?
Is that not enough? He had him floored with weapons de-ignited.
What exactly did Grievous manage to do to Koth who had the disadvantage of a wounded arm, and being intimidated by knowing he can't possibly win with all these Magnaguards surrounding him.
Edit- And LOL I just re-checked the fight. The magnaguards ONLY interferred when Koth was about to strike Grievous down:
@1:51-1:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VHkNU8whzc
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I feel your only goal and contribution on this forum is to try to hammer down on Luke and Grievous because of childhood tragedy experiences.
Nice rebuttal.
Unlike you I don't debate solely based on bias. If I did I'd say Maul stomps Windu and ROTJ Luke + ROTS Anakin stomp everyone except Yoda.
But unlike you I don't hide away from The Truth, in favor of my preferred truth.
Is that not enough? He had him floored with weapons de-ignited.If you're trying to argue that Grievous lacks lightsaber skill, then no, it's not enough. Otherwise it's kind of pointless to mention because Grievous isn't even a Force User.What exactly did Grievous manage to do to Koth who had the disadvantage of a wounded arm, and being intimidated by knowing he can't possibly win with all these Magnaguards surrounding him.
Why does he need to do anything to him? It was a short, even fight, and Koth has no dueling showings to suggest that defeating Grievous would be a bad thing for the latter. And honestly, between Koth's inherent Force Shields, Zabrak resiliency, and his use of Crucitron, the blaster bolt would have had far less effect on him than most beings. Like I said, it's just impressive for Koth, and Grievous was trying to capture him anyway.
What do you actually hope to assert when debating Grievous? Because literally all you do is try to act like anyone doing well against him is an example of Grievous being brain damaged, and any example of Grievous doing well is BS or non-canon. You obviously just don't like the character.
Originally posted by ILS
If you're trying to argue that Grievous lacks lightsaber skill, then no, it's not enough. Otherwise it's kind of pointless to mention because Grievous isn't even a Force User.
When did I say Grievous lacks Lightsaber skill?
Originally posted by ILS
Why does he need to do anything to him? It was a short, even fight, and Koth has no dueling showings to suggest that defeating Grievous would be a bad thing for the latter. And honestly, between Koth's inherent Force Shields, Zabrak resiliency, and his use of Crucitron, the blaster bolt would have had far less effect on him than most beings. Like I said, it's just impressive for Koth, and Grievous was trying to capture him anyway.
Yes it was a short and even "duel" when Koth's dueling arm was clearly effected.
He takes hold of his arm a few times, showing it clearly was effected by the shot in the arm.
I'd take trying to "capture" an opponent over a wounded arm any day. Capturing doesn't prevent one from aiming for arms or legs. It only makes on weary of hitting their head. Not that there's any proof Koth was going to Murder Grievous himself anyway.
Originally posted by ILS
What do you actually hope to assert when debating Grievous? Because literally all you do is try to act like anyone doing well against him is an example of Grievous being brain damaged, and any example of Grievous doing well is BS or non-canon. You obviously just don't like the character.
What?
Koth was winning that fight with a wounded Arm before the Magnaguards interfered. I've never once suggested Grievous isn't a threat to anyone in Pure Sabers. He is and always will be a threat in Pure Sabers. But since he tends to get every advantage of Fear, Surprise and Intimidation on his side (like Dooku taught him to) it's difficult to appropriately rank him in that regard.
On this particular thread, I'd probably go with Arhael's opinion, that Kun has never faced anyone like him and has the disadvanatge (since it is Pure Sabers).
It's you who try to ignore or be blind sided or make up excuses for fights where Grievous loses. But try to make his high showings as his norm.
When did I say Grievous lacks Lightsaber skill?I didn't, but either you were going for that, or you were pointlessly pointing out that a non-Force User can be targeted by telekinesis.
Yes it was a short and even "duel" when Koth's dueling arm was clearly effected.Where did I say it wasn't affecting him?He takes hold of his arm a few times, showing it clearly was effected by the shot in the arm.
I'd take trying to "capture" an opponent over a wounded arm any day. Capturing doesn't prevent one from aiming for arms or legs. It only makes on weary of hitting their head. Not that there's any proof Koth was going to Murder Grievous himself anyway.Koth said later in the episode that he would gladly sacrifice his life to see Grievous dead. And you still haven't refuted my point that even if Koth was better than Grievous, it would be of no detriment to Grievous. The fight was inconclusive, anyway, as Grievous chose to capture Koth.
What?Again, pointing out that a Non-Force User can be targeted by TK is beyond pointless. The sabers portion of the duel was even.Koth was winning that fight with a wounded Arm before the Magnaguards interfered.
It's you who try to ignore or be blind sided or make up excuses for fights where Grievous loses. But try to make his high showings as his norm.Feel free to cite a few examples, we're all eager to hear about how biased I am.
Originally posted by ILS
I didn't, but either you were going for that, or you were pointlessly pointing out that a non-Force User can be targeted by telekinesis.
No, I was pointing out that Koth had him beat until the Magnaguards interfered.
Originally posted by ILS
Where did I say it wasn't affecting him?.
You seemed to be undermining how much a wounded arm could effect his performance.
Originally posted by ILS
Koth said later in the episode that he would gladly sacrifice his life to see Grievous dead.
He meant in terms of blowing up the ship they were on. That doesn't mean he wouldn't capture him if he had the chance, and would only be out for the kill when he engaged him 1 on 1. That's not usually the Jedi way.
Originally posted by ILS
And you still haven't refuted my point that even if Koth was better than Grievous, it would be of no detriment to Grievous. The fight was inconclusive, anyway, as Grievous chose to capture Koth.
Like I've said, the advantages mostly were all on Grievous's side given he had his magnaguards surrounding Koth the whole time.
Aiming to "capture" an opponent really isn't that detrimental for someone who would still be willing to chop off arms and legs. Wrists and arms are generally the easiest targets in a sword fight.
Originally posted by ILS
Again, pointing out that a Non-Force User can be targeted by TK is beyond pointless. The sabers portion of the duel was even.
Again, maybe you should learn to read the context of a post before you jump in on it.
I was purely responding to DarthAnt saying Koth never had Grievous beat. He did.
If you want to add context in to that defeat like Grievous wanting to capture him, that's fine. But like I've pointed out numerous times, the majority of that context was against Koth, not Grievous.
Originally posted by ILS
Feel free to cite a few examples, we're all eager to hear about how biased I am.
Oh, you made your Grievous bias very clear when you outright stated that you pretty much completely ignore his TCW depiction and anything Lucas says about him.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your Grievous and Luke bias is stronger then Gideon's Palpatine wank.
You mean my anti-bias.
Yeah you're nuts. If anything I'm actually bias towards Luke.
Where did all you Grievous fanatics come to this forum from in the last year or 2, after TCW, George Lucas and Dave Filoni already made it clear Grievous isn't someone who eats most Council Members for breakfast the way say Savage Opress does.
Originally posted by I Am Not Done X
DP dies.
Bring it weirdo.
No, I was pointing out that Koth had him beat until the Magnaguards interfered.Well he didn't really have him beat, he just TK'd him once, but I'll digress before you start talking about how Grievous was unconscious from the impact or something similarly retarded.
You seemed to be undermining how much a wounded arm could effect his performance.Not really. I listed three factors which would have aided Koth in fighting through the injury. So either counter and prove that those three factors are irrelevant or stop whining.
He meant in terms of blowing up the ship they were on. That doesn't mean he wouldn't capture him if he had the chance, and would only be out for the kill when he engaged him 1 on 1. That's not usually the Jedi way.It shows that he has no qualms about killing Grievous out-of-combat, never mind in combat. Not to mention Jedi have no issue killing in self-defence, and with Grievous you can target any of his non-living frame without threatening his life. So there goes your nonsense about Koth not intending to kill Grievous.
Like I've said, the advantages mostly were all on Grievous's side given he had his magnaguards surrounding Koth the whole time.Nobody is disputing this.
Aiming to "capture" an opponent really isn't that detrimental for someone who would still be willing to chop off arms and legs. Wrists and arms are generally the easiest targets in a sword fight.I wasn't even saying it was detrimental, but it does take longer because you have less options for striking, and Grievous' strategy had always been to have his MagnaGuards shock him into submission, which is logically a safer approach than capturing him in a lightsaber duel. Not that any of this really matters because you aren't even asserting any kind of point of debate...
Again, maybe you should learn to read the context of a post before you jump in on it.He didn't.I was purely responding to DarthAnt saying Koth never had Grievous beat. He did.
If you want to add context in to that defeat like Grievous wanting to capture him, that's fine. But like I've pointed out numerous times, the majority of that context was against Koth, not Grievous.And again, nobody is disputing any of this, but you're failing to really make a point.
Oh, you made your Grievous bias very clear when you outright stated that you pretty much completely ignore his TCW depiction and anything Lucas says about him.I differentiate between TCW and EU/ROTS Grievous in terms of their physical abilities, but in terms of his skill he hasn't really changed.
I'm still waiting for an example of this, though:
It's you who try to ignore or be blind sided or make up excuses for fights where Grievous loses. But try to make his high showings as his norm.
DP's a good guy, he just really hates that Sidious is a zillion times better than Maul and Obi-Wan. He tries to live in this artificial reality where Obi-Wan and Maul are like totes close to Sidious in "Pure Sabers" and Sidious is like totes threatened by the likes of Obi-Wan and Maul. Like, DP's pants erupt at the thought of a Maul/Obi-Wan vs. Sidious scenario where the duo don't die in less than ten seconds.
He's jealous. Jealous that Sidious is a lot smarter, stronger, faster, more powerful, more successful, and better looking than Obi-Wan and Maul combined.
But I'll break him eventually. I always do.
Originally posted by ILS
Well he didn't really have him beat, he just TK'd him once, but I'll digress before you start talking about how Grievous was unconscious from the impact or something similarly retarded.
Koth was about to strike him, which is why the Magnaguards interfered.
Originally posted by ILS
Not really. I listed three factors which would have aided Koth in fighting through the injury. So either counter and prove that those three factors are irrelevant or stop whining.
No your making excuses to undermine his disadvantage.
I've pointed out more than once now that Koth kept rubbing his arm. His dueling arm at that. But your obviously ignoring that in favor of your usual Grievous wank.
Originally posted by ILS
It shows that he has no qualms about killing Grievous out-of-combat, never mind in combat. Not to mention Jedi have no issue killing in self-defence, and with Grievous you can target any of his non-living frame without threatening his life. So there goes your nonsense about Koth not intending to kill Grievous.
His comments had nothing to do with 1 vs 1 combat. Quit grasping at straws.
Originally posted by ILS
I wasn't even saying it was detrimental, but it does take longer because you have less options for striking, and Grievous' strategy had always been to have his MagnaGuards shock him into submission, which is logically a safer approach than capturing him in a lightsaber duel.
The fact that the Magnaguards never once interfered until Grievous was about to lose, PROVES that your grasping at straws here once again.
Originally posted by ILS
Not that any of this really matters because you aren't even asserting any kind of point of debate...
Actually it's you who seems to like arguing for the sake of it. Especially when it concerns Grievous.
I've said Koth had Grievous despite all the disadvantages he was facing.
You're just having a hard time dealing with the truth of that.
Originally posted by ILS
He didn't.
Yes he did. That's why the Magnaguards never entered the fight before then.
This is really common sense and quite clear from the scene. But as usual your pointless arguments are driven by your Grievous bias.
Originally posted by ILS
And again, nobody is disputing any of this, but you're failing to really make a point.
Well that is a result of debating with someone whose butt hurt and just looking to argue for the sake of it.
Originally posted by ILS
I differentiate between TCW and EU/ROTS Grievous in terms of their physical abilities, but in terms of his skill he hasn't really changed.
Lol at making ROTS Grievous and LEgends EU Grievous one and the same. Yet try to differentiate TCW Grievous from ROTS Grievous.
Your bias and denial of the truth is in pretty much every line you speak 😂
Originally posted by ILS
[BI'm still waiting for an example of this, though: [/B]
It's all over your post 😆
Originally posted by ILS
Would it be considered poor form to stop replying to DP? I seriously can't be bothered talking to him.....
I actually can't be bothered responding to your BS most the time, which you don't stop b****ing about:
Originally posted by ILS
Lol I have like two unanswered posts addressing this.
But nice attaempt in making me out to be the Troll here.
I'm sure DarthAnt will stand besides you. As will all the other Grievous fanatics who have still refused to accept his Canon power level.