Originally posted by Board Walker
Spectre is beyond multiversal abstract, and was recently dominated by Injustice Superman when he attempted to kill Billy.
Spectre was dominated as you put it not by power. He believed in Superman's cause anyway. And he only didn't kill Shazam because of Superman's word.
So the fact an abstract that believes in the cause of Superman doesn't immediately accelerate him.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Please cause we clearly talk about LT here. 😆
Come on man let's be serious Superman would not defeat characters that operate above the physical level. The true Abstracts would dichotomize him, and place every piece of him in separate realities before he could say faster than a speeding....
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Spectre was dominated as you put it not by power. He believed in Superman's cause anyway. And he only didn't kill Shazam because of Superman's word.So the fact an abstract that believes in the cause of Superman doesn't immediately accelerate him.
That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.
The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon), and no one including Dr. Fate could save him or stop the Spectre from intruding.
Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.
Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.
Originally posted by Stoic
Come on man let's be serious Superman would not defeat characters that operate above the physical level. The true Abstracts would dichotomize him, and place every piece of him in separate realities before he could say faster than a speeding....
True, but lets be real here, Injustice, OWAW and Kingdom come Supes and you still think they cannot win?
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon).
Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him verbally which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy.
Yes he showed no indication of stopping, but he stopped when Superman asked him to stop. Comics are crazy sometimes. And the writer has decided for Spectre to say he agrees with Superman's cause.
If Spectre didn't respect him he would've squashed Billy anyway. But don't make the mistake of presuming power comes into it.
Sentry is partially under the influence of the Apocalypse twins. He was ordered about by them (albeit while following his own plans). So will you presume they are above Trans because Sentry partially follows their orders such as securing passage to Planet X? You can have people more powerful than you on a leash.
Who knows the next issue of Injustice, Supes may pull something crazy but I just think you should be careful before you make a claim.
The way you phrase your edited part means either way it's answered makes Superman stronger or more important. You can't lose no matter what answer is given. For some reason the writer made the Spectre believe that Superman's cause was righteous. Therefore he obeyed Supes and released Billy. Don't be too presumptious as of yet.
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is your interpretation of it, the Spectre has never shown demonstrated to adhering to what others tell "it" to do unless they possess a degree of authority/power superior to his own.The Spectre stated very clearly that he was going to kill Billy, and demonstrated no indication that he was going to hold back what so ever. This is further reinforced by the fact that the Spectre had just effortlessly atomized Mr. Blood (Etrigon), and no one including Dr. Fate could save him or stop the Spectre from intruding.
Lantern Superman flew out to face Spectre, and dominated him which resulted in the Spectre releasing Billy. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.
Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.
Very well said.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a fight.Where is the fight at?
Something to note as well: Spectre says he will do all in his power to protect Superman.
So why would he use his power to protect someone more powerful than him, when presumably if what others say Superman wouldn't even need his help anyway.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a fight.Where is the fight at?
I stated that Injustice Superman dominated the spectre, and he clearly did in that the Spectre obeyed superman instantly. Superman did not kindly ask the Spectre to release Billy, he shouted and threatened the Spectre to release him with a posture of violence. The Spectre has never adhered to the request of others unless the Presence/a being with higher power than his own orders him to.
Injustice Superman possess either a superior degree of power to that of the Spectre, or he holds a superior degree of megaversal authority.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Something to note as well: Spectre says he will do all in his power to protect Superman.So why would he use his power to protect someone more powerful than him, when presumably if what others say Superman wouldn't even need his help anyway.
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?
The spectre does not take orders from anyone, and only adheres to violent demands when his power is inferior or the other entity possess a higher degree of megversal authority.
The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?
Stop this nonsense.
The spectre is not afraid of Superman.
Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.
There is no point in pursuing this line of discussion further. Injustice Superman is not more powerful than the Spectre. You won't get anything out of trying to force that scene into something it was not.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but when has Spectre ever backed down to anyone?
Probably never besides from the Prescence I imagine and perhaps another being on an extremely rare occasion.
Doesn't immediately make Supes more powerful considering Spectre specifically implied he would be using all his power to protect Superman.
Superman doesn't hold a power gap over him. He holds authority linked via a cause Spectre believes in.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Stop this nonsense.The spectre is not afraid of Superman.
Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.
The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Probably never besides from the Prescence I imagine and perhaps another being on an extremely rare occasion.Doesn't immediately make Supes more powerful considering Spectre specifically implied he would be using all his power to protect Superman.
Superman doesn't hold a power gap over him. He holds authority linked via a cause Spectre believes in.
The belief that Spectre believes in is that he should kill Billy, he states it on panel and is objective. The Spectre has always followed and done what he believes needs to be done, and does not back off from doing it unless forced to.
Superman clearly shouted and demanded that the Spectre release Billy, Superman also positioned himself into a posture of intended violence against the Spectre. The Spectre released Billy without a word, and only when told to speak by Superman did he then reply. Prior to that the Spectre's intention was to kill Billy, and if we go by continuity then he would have unless forced not to.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The Spectre clearly stated "I should destroy him" this means that the Spectre's mission, and or belief was that Billy should die. Superman dominated that belief of Spectre's, and forced him to release Billy even though the Spectre wanted to kill him. The Spectre has always followed what he believes he should do, and not listened to the violent demands of others unless dwarfed in power.
Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.
