Originally posted by krisblaze
Stop this nonsense.The spectre is not afraid of Superman.
Even if Superman had the power to destroy him, which he does not, the spectre does not fear.
There is no point in pursuing this line of discussion further. Injustice Superman is not more powerful than the Spectre. You won't get anything out of trying to force that scene into something it was not.
You clearly don't know the character or personality of Spectre.
The belief that Spectre believes in is that he should kill Billy, he states it on panel and is objective. The Spectre has always followed and done what he believes needs to be done, and does not back off from doing it unless forced to.
And on this occasion he believed Billy should be killed. Until someone who held authority over him (Superman) demanded his release. Spectre isn't going to kill someone who he has just been ordered not too. If the spearhead of the cause he is following demands him not too why would he carry on abstract or not?
Superman clearly shouted and demanded that the Spectre release Billy, Superman also positioned himself into a posture of intended violence against the Spectre. The Spectre released Billy without a word, and only when told to speak by Superman did he then reply. Prior to that the Spectre's intention was to kill Billy, and if we go by continuity then he would have unless forced not to.
Your making huge artistic interpretations here to accentuate your position. He spoke in a demanding voice because his friend was gonna be killed. Prior to that it was until he was told not to.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.
Why would he be wanting to kill his friends then if he was following him? Clearly he decided to do otherwise for whatever reason and he was halted and Superman brought him back on coarse?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why would he be wanting to kill his friends then if he was following him? Clearly he decided to do otherwise for whatever reason and he was halted and Superman brought him back on coarse?
Because he believed that his heart wasn't set on the same path as he said.
"I sense doubt in you"
So he was acting on what he believed would accelerate Superman's cause.
He decided to do otherwise because the figurehead of his cause made him.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Or authority. Which into his case Spectre was already following Superman so when Superman demanded Billy's release as the Spectre follows Superman's cause there is no point in harming Billy.
Spectre has been ordered by a high power to follow, and or protect someone inferior to his own self before. When this occured the Spectre at no time demanded said person to come to his presence, nor did the Spectre present himself in form of intended dominance and power as he did in this case. The spectre had just destroyed half a town, killed Mr. blood and boomed across the city that Superman come to his presence immediately.
In the past the Spectre has outright killed the friends/families of those he had been ordered to protect/help, and the reason was often because they were not "innocent". Spectre outright states that Billy is not innocent and is a direct threat to the purpose he has been assigned to protect. This states very clearly that Billy is a threat to his purpose, and his mission which would mean that the Spectre's statement of killing Billy was very real.
Superman then ordering Spectre to release billy is a very rare occurrence in comics, this is because the Spectre does not heed the request of others when they conflict with his belief/mission. Going by near every appearance of Spectre in continuity he should have killed Billy regardless of what superman demanded, and the only times he has not done so is when he is dwarfed in power/authority.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Because he believed that his heart wasn't set on the same path as he said."I sense doubt in you"
So he was acting on what he believed would accelerate Superman's cause.
He decided to do otherwise because the figurehead of his cause made him.
I'm willing to leave it with you and Board Walker, I see it another way though. Cheers.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Spectre has been ordered by a high power to follow, and or protect someone inferior to his own self before. When this occured the Spectre at no time demanded said person to come to his presence, nor did the Spectre present himself in form of intended dominance and power as he did in this case. The spectre had just destroyed half a town, killed Mr. blood and boomed across the city that Superman come to his presence immediately.In the past the Spectre has outright killed the friends/families of those he had been ordered to protect/help, and the reason was often because they were not "innocent". Spectre outright states that Billy is not innocent and is a direct threat to the purpose he has been assigned to protect. This states very clearly that Billy is a threat to his purpose, and his mission which would mean that the Spectre's statement of killing Billy was very real.
Superman then ordering Spectre to release billy is a very rare occurrence in comics, this is because the Spectre does not heed the request of others when they conflict with his belief/mission. Going by near every appearance of Spectre in continuity he should have killed Billy regardless of what superman demanded, and the only times he has not done so is when he is dwarfed in power/authority.
Spectre stated he was giving all his power to protect Superman so does that mean he is weaker or stronger?
I agree with your 2nd paragraph so I can't really make a reply there.
Like I said things happen. A writer once wrote Thanos being arrested by humans. One also wrote for Darkseid to fall down stairs and get mugged by thugs.
It happens and the writer has made this story so.
I find it really interesting. I want to see what happens next. For all we know we may find out I'm wrong next week or vice versa. Ultimately who knows.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Spectre stated he was giving all his power to protect Superman so does that mean he is weaker or stronger?I agree with your 2nd paragraph so I can't really make a reply there.
Like I said things happen. A writer once wrote Thanos being arrested by humans. One also wrote for Darkseid to fall down stairs and get mugged by thugs.
It happens and the writer has made this story so.
I find it really interesting. I want to see what happens next. For all we know we may find out I'm wrong next week or vice versa. Ultimately who knows.
The prime difference is that Injustice Superman has had nothing but high end feats, and his feats have been escalating in power rather than experiencing a bull whip effect of up and down.
First Injustice Superman dominates the high skyfather character Ganthet, and then he dominates Spectre in power/authority (questionable which). It seems entirely in line for Superman considering his feats have all been extremely high, and have demonstrated no disposition for a downward slope.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The prime difference is that Injustice Superman has had nothing but high end feats, and his feats have been escalating in power rather than experiencing a bull whip effect of up and down.First Injustice Superman dominates the high skyfather character Ganthet, and then he dominates Spectre in power/authority (questionable which). It seems entirely in line for Superman considering his feats have all been extremely high, and have demonstrated no disposition for a downward slope.
Sure they have been high I agree. Gantlet and Mogo feat to name one. Don't get me wrong here I am not saying he is weak but I must think your interpreting the dialogue wrong.
Sure he hasn't shown a downward slope. And like I said next week he may pull a deus ex machina style feat and I may be wrong. But we have to wait and see.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
True, but lets be real here, Injustice, OWAW and Kingdom come Supes and you still think they cannot win?
You wouldn't either if you knew how powerful the Phoenix force actually is. Actually that's what might want to do. Just check out just how powerful it is, and then, if you believe that any of these Supermen are on that level, you will at least have good reason for believing this. I just don't believe that you will. We are talking about a cosmic universal force.
If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them.
Originally posted by Stoic
You wouldn't either if you knew how powerful the Phoenix force actually is. Actually that's what might want to do. Just check out just how powerful it is, and then, if you believe that any of these Supermen are on that level, you will at least have good reason for believing this. I just don't believe that you will. We are talking about a cosmic universal force.If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them.
Lets be real since we friends, we know this thread is spite against Superman. I do know the power of PF.
Originally posted by carver9
😐I am in shock that people are voting against the 5. Complete shock. No Herald was a challenge to them, not one
😂
Except Gladiator right?
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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
To add, I made a thread long time ago about Phoenix 5 vs Galactus, so I know the level they on. Some of these threads today have been really anti-superman, so as a house of el member, I must make a stand against tyranny🙂
That's disgusting
Originally posted by -Pr-
😂Except Gladiator right?
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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.
Did someone report this?
Originally posted by -Pr-
😂Except Gladiator right?
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Anyway, not sure about this thread and whether it's spite or not. The P5 were very impressive, but it's been a while since I read the books, so I'm trying to recall their upper feats.
Lol, its total spite, Phoenix force is universal being/force.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
That's disgustingDid someone report this?
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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, its total spite, Phoenix force is universal being/force.
I'm talking about the P5, not the force as a whole. One thing I DO remember from those books is how underwhelmed I was by the power of the 5.
But if people honestly think it's spite, then I have no problem closing it.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its exactly as Stoic said "If one of the P5 goes down the remaining becomes more powerful, and so on. If they somehow made it to the last one, there is no chance for them."Once its down to the last host, say they wind them down the last host, its total PF universal control. Its un winnable fight.
yeah, that's true. i'd honestly not considered that it would play a part in this fight.
all right, closing for spite, even if the series was shit.