Originally posted by carthage
I never stated they were the best in the Mythos, I just said they outskilled/were more powerful than Team 1 when I beat Fated in the argument.I hate B team, but they're still superior characters to the random losers on team 1.
Yes, Windu did not perform the best he could because he did not want to use Vaapad. But state of mind related performance is a marginal difference. That doesn't suddenly make Windu ten times weaker. Depa "was too strong, too fast, too everything". Had he used Vaapad he would defeat her but it would still be a difficult fight because Vaapad is just state of mind, it's not a significant amp.
Also, it is actual real fight to death. Saesee, Agen and Fisto don't have anything even remotely as impressive. On top of that Windu stated that he is probably the only one who can defeat her.
About Jade Korr. Again unlike those three he has a feat of fighting ancient Sith Lord amped by skepter that absorbed ton of Force. Yes, we don't know much about Marka Ragnos but probability wise chances that the most powerful of his time Sith who reigned over 100 years is below b-team dudes is incredibility thin. And that's without taking into account farther advantage gained from the skepter. Jaden defeated him before even reaching his prime.
Don't know anything about Gnost-Dural but the other two are already more than enough.
B-team proved to be trash, when facing Sidious. I just can't accept that Depa and Jaden could be even easier opponents for Sidious than B-team despite having far better feats. That would be too trashy trash.
After humiliating Fated the discussion continues..
Yes, Windu did not perform the best he could because he did not want to use Vaapad. But state of mind related performance is a marginal difference. That doesn't suddenly make Windu ten times weaker. Depa "was too strong, too fast, too everything". Had he used Vaapad he would defeat her but it would still be a difficult fight because Vaapad is just state of mind, it's not a significant amp.
She was "Too, fast, too strong" etc due to her being amped and drawing on the residual darkside energies of the bunker. She doesn't outskill him and isn't even approaching him in terms of feats, nor is she as skilled or has as many showings as Fisto or Kolar. Either of these fighters are approaching him in skill and have the showings to back it up, whereas, Depa has only an amped showing with a myriad of other factors that benefited her. Also lol @ Vaapad being merely a "state of mind", if it were anything less than an amp it wouldn'tve allowed him to survive as long as he did against Sidious
Also, it is actual real fight to death. Saesee, Agen and Fisto don't have anything even remotely as impressive. On top of that Windu stated that he is probably the only one who can defeat her.
She'd fare no better against Palpatine than Saesee, Agen, or Fisto. He's just that good, and yes they do in terms of showings. Fisto has bested Grievous, blitzed multiple magnaguards, and fought faster than Obi wan could perceive, and Agen has best Quinlan Vos with consummate ease. Depa has no showings by virtue of her own skill to compete, and Fisto, Kolar, and Tiin are considered among the best bladesbeings produced by the order- which is an accolade substantiating their showings (which already alone are superior to the fighters on team 1:
Now Obi-Wan did face him. "Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee - four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced. By himself. Even both of us together wouldn't have a chance."
About Jade Korr. Again unlike those three he has a feat of fighting ancient Sith Lord amped by skepter that absorbed ton of Force. Yes, we don't know much about Marka Ragnos but probability wise chances that the most powerful of his time Sith who reigned over 100 years is below b-team dudes is incredibility thin.
In other threads you've made the claim B team are "nothing but hype", but here you're making a special pleading for me to accept nothing but hype for Marka Ragnos . Ragnos has done nothing specifically to put himself above any of the Jedi I've mentioned, all of his sources are either base speculation and or hype. Also Jaden beat him as a Sith spirit which is when he would be at his weakest, all this on top of him being featless. Jaden has beaten no one superior to Bulq, Vos, Grievous, or Kenobi- let alone anyone even remotely comparable.
And that's without taking into account farther advantage gained from the skepter. Jaden defeated him before even reaching his prime.
Not seeing how that's relevant to this fight, if he struggles with all of his featless opponents. He is going to get lolstomped by these Jedi
B-team proved to be trash, when facing Sidious. I just can't accept that Depa and Jaden could be even easier opponents for Sidious than B-team despite having far better feats. That would be too trashy trash.
I'd love to see any evidence that team 1 could even beat Bulq, Vos, Grievous, or Kenobi (based on feats not speculation). None of these fighters on either team would win against Palpatine, but that's because he's just that good not because of any deficit in B team's abilities. Nice false comparison though, considering team 1 hasn't even beaten opponents on the level of the folk I listed in this argument for B team
Originally posted by WildBantha88
(carthage logic) Sidious beats four weakened mook jedi, so what? Kit Fisto has defeated Kenobi and Grievous.
You aren't very bright to make that comparison but try to understand the difference. For one the text says those Jedi are starved, and secondly using Sidious as grounds for a comparison is a sign you are desperate, butthurt, and grasping at straws. Not that you have much to draw on for the fighters of team 1 though LOL
