Originally posted by bbrem123
SSJGGogeta is wrong.It was said many times during the movie normal ki can not hurt gods. Vegeta is no different. The "blood" was only there to online vegeta's shining moment. Nothing more.
Vegeta's shining moment was still hurting Bills without godly ki.
Also, it was only stated once, and by Bills. He simply hadn't seen a ki like Vegeta's.
Also, are you forgetting that Vegeta straight up ate a punch to the face from Bills, before even starting his attack?
So by this stretch Goku is hurt by glass and Bulmas and Krillen hits.
Let's go over fights
SS3 Goku actually engaged Bills and Bills was smart enough to dodge his most powerful hits.
With Vegeta he sat there and tanked them all without even trying to dodge or counter. Then flicked him in his face.
I guess that makes Vegeta a big man according to you.
Gohan faired better and took a harder beating then Vegeta and didn't even get KO'd.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not what I am saying. I'm saying Bills got hurt as much as say Bulma hitting Goku on the head😂
I'm not saying Vegeta was any knid of threat to Bills, or that he was seriously hurt. Just that clearly normal ki CAN effect godly ki with enough power. To deny this not only contradicts what we are shown on screen, but places a no limits fallacy on Bills.
Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not saying Vegeta was any knid of threat to Bills, or that he was seriously hurt. Just that clearly normal ki [b]CAN effect godly ki with enough power. To deny this not only contradicts what we are shown on screen, but places a no limits fallacy on Bills. [/B]
I never stated that normal ki could not hurt godly ki, that was never my argument.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So by this stretch Goku is hurt by glass and Bulmas and Krillen hits.Let's go over fights
SS3 Goku actually engaged Bills and Bills was smart enough to dodge his most powerful hits.
With Vegeta he sat there and tanked them all without even trying to dodge or counter. Then flicked him in his face.
I guess that makes Vegeta a big man according to you.
Gohan faired better and took a harder beating then Vegeta and didn't even get KO'd.
Bulma has never made Goku bleed.
Bills ko'd SSJ3 Goku with a neck chop. He ko'd EXHAUSTED, BASE VEGETA with a flick. By your logic, Gohan was weaker than Cell, because Cell's ki was bigger than a weakened SSJ2 Gohan's. If one of the people is ridiculously weakened, it doesn't count as a win.
Also, SSJ3 Goku got ko'd with one neck chop from Bills. Vegeta tanked a punch to the face from him, and proceeded to beat him until he bled from his mouth.
Yeah, tanking a punch to the face and bloodying the person Goku and Gohan didn't even land a hit on DEFINITELY DOESN'T make Vegeta a big man.
Gohan DID get ko'd. When Bills slammed his and Buu's heads together. Also, that was only the second hit he landed on Gohan, and Gohan didn't land ONE on Bills, while Vegeta bloodied him. When are you gonna watch this movie?
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Bulma has never made Goku bleed.Bills ko'd SSJ3 Goku with a neck chop. He ko'd EXHAUSTED, BASE VEGETA with a flick. By your logic, Gohan was weaker than Cell, because Cell's ki was bigger than a weakened SSJ2 Gohan's. If one of the people is ridiculously weakened, it doesn't count as a win.
Also, SSJ3 Goku got ko'd with one neck chop from Bills. Vegeta tanked a punch to the face from him, and proceeded to beat him until he bled from his mouth.
Yeah, tanking a punch to the face and bloodying the person Goku and Gohan didn't even land a hit on DEFINITELY DOESN'T make Vegeta a big man.
Gohan DID get ko'd. When Bills slammed his and Buu's heads together. Also, that was only the second hit he landed on Gohan, and Gohan didn't land ONE on Bills, while Vegeta bloodied him. When are you gonna watch this movie?
Nope. Vegeta got flicked..
Again over wanking some little blood.
Glass>Bulma>SS4>Bills
Bulma has given Goku a bump on his head many times. According to you that is damage.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nope. Vegeta got flicked..Again over wanking some little blood.
Glass>SS4>Bills
So you agree that SSJ4 stomps the ever-living dog piss out of Bills, right?
Then why are you even still here? Was your entire point to make yourself look as stupid as possible with your pseudo-counter bs based off conjecture and assumption, just to admit you were wrong like you never argued about it in the first place.
Way to jump shit, like I knew you would, "crybaby". 👆
Originally posted by bbrem123
Goku even says himself. No matter what power level i'm at it wont be a fair fight. (which backs up Beerus statement)Goku also says that God form is a power level he could never reach on his own.
Yet we se otherwise with our own eyes. Clearly normal ki can effect godly ki, he just wasn't strong enough to make anything out of it.
He also felt like Raditz's power was uber and couldn't reach it until he died. Point is if Vegeta could affect Bills, and we know he could, than someone 100 times stronger would affect him 100 times worse.
Yeah to be fair blood doesn't just spill out of people for no reason, the general consensus I'm getting from people here is "Vegeta is weak, got stomped" well even if so, the blood didn't just come out of nowhere, it spilled from the lips of a God who is supposed to be invincible to anything short of this "Godly Ki". Now think for a second if someone could do that who so many consider "weak" what would someone the level of SUPER SAIYAN 4 GOGETA do? I feel the whole "Godly Ki" thing can only work until a certain degree, and the power difference between Gogeta and the Gods is astronomical.
Honestly if Vegeta drew a droplet of blood, Gogeta's punch is going to tear Bill's head clear off his shoulders. It's not even a fight, I fail to see how this can even be debated.
SSJ4 Gogeta is Macrocosm+ level. He was able to casually kick away and purify Omega Shenron's Negative Karma Bal that had enough energy to destroy the DB Macrocosm and even the Kaioshin realm, so the blast radius was also MFTL by an inconceivable amount. He purified the destructive energies and made them passive, and was able to cleanse the left-over Negative Karma energy. The DB Macrosom is made up of two confirmed Universes and one realm which size is still unknown. The Kaioshin realm is 10 percent the size of the Macrocosm combined and you have to take into account the speed of the Blast. So the Minimum to beat Gogeta SSJ4 is someone who has to have the power to at LEAST destroy 4 Universes in one go and that's not taking into account the blast speed, which makes the DC raised to crazy levels.