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Originally posted by yungz22
idk the gap between cell and krillin is waaaaaay larger than the gap between krillin and frieza so its possible krillin could hurt frieza with destructo disk

Okay, then for example, SSJ2 Gohan easily tanked two Kienzan's from Perfect Cell. For him to do that, means that anyone with as big a gap between them and Krillin, as Gohan had to Cell, could replicate the feat. Meaning that if Gohan was four or five times stronger than Cell, then someone four or five times stronger than Krillin could do the same. Frieza in any form other than second, should definitely suffice. Hell, the only reason Frieza got hurt by it at all, was because it was a sneak attack. I bet he could have easily batted it away if he had seen it coming. Hell, first form probably could have.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... I know. My point, is that if Frieza was in any form higher than 2nd, the Kienzan would have bounced off of him.

There is no proof of this. The only time it "bounced off" was against Cell, and that was non canon filler. Also, the power gap between Cell and Krillin was much larger than the one between Frieza and Krillin. So, in other words, that's a baseless claim.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Okay, then for example, SSJ2 Gohan easily tanked two Kienzan's from Perfect Cell. For him to do that, means that anyone with as big a gap between them and Krillin, as Gohan had to Cell, could replicate the feat. Meaning that if Gohan was four or five times stronger than Cell, then someone four or five times stronger than Krillin could do the same. Frieza in any form other than second, should definitely suffice. Hell, the only reason Frieza got hurt by it at all, was because it was a sneak attack. I bet he could have easily batted it away if he had seen it coming. Hell, first form probably could have.

I don't remember that at all. I will look back but if it's not in the manga then it's also non canon filler. Also SSJ2 Gohan has much better ki control than Frieza. Just because he could do something does not mean Frieza could replicate it.

Just looked back at the Manga and Cell never used the Kienzan there. Must just be an anime thing

Originally posted by juggerman
There is no proof of this. The only time it "bounced off" was against Cell, and that was non canon filler. Also, the power gap between Cell and Krillin was much larger than the one between Frieza and Krillin. So, in other words, that's a baseless claim.

I don't remember that at all. I will look back but if it's not in the manga then it's also non canon filler. Also SSJ2 Gohan has much better ki control than Frieza. Just because he could do something does not mean Frieza could replicate it.

Oh, I thought Krillin did use his kienzan there in the manga. I guess it was just in the anime, but it would still make sense. The only time Kienzan has ever been effective was when it was used as a sneak attack. In fact, that's pretty much the ONLY time it's been used at all, except for against Nappa.

Anyway, we're arguing about GT here in the first place, I think Anime only feats are okay.

I'm not sure it should count when it directly contradicts the manga but I see what you are saying.

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not sure it should count when it directly contradicts the manga but I see what you are saying.

It doesn't really contradict the manga, it just adds to it, I think. I can buy that Cell could tank a kienzan from Krillin, and SSJ2 Gohan could from Cell, can't you?

And yeah, if we take anything from GT as cannon, then DBZ anime can be cannon as well, lol.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It doesn't really contradict the manga, it just adds to it, I think.

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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
How stupid are you?

Akira Toriyama EXPLICITLY stated that Whiss was 50% stronger than Bills. If Goku in SSJG could go Kaioken X2, he would be almost as strong as Whiss.

Toriyama said, "I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.".

All that garbage you just spewed about Whiss's power being immeasurable, is no more than that. Garbage. Presumptuous, idiotic, garbage.

You are out of your mind. Whis would spank Vegeta no matter what amp he does.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It doesn't really contradict the manga, it just adds to it, I think.

There are several contradictions in the anime. I can name some if you'd like

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I can buy that Cell could tank a kienzan from Krillin, and SSJ2 Gohan could from Cell, can't you?

Not really given what we know about the attack. Hell Buu didn't even tank it in the anime and the gap between him and Kirillin is far beyond what is was with Cell.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And yeah, if we take anything from GT as cannon, then DBZ anime can be cannon as well, lol.

Not really. GT is canon to itself so we can debate it without it being canon to anything else. And there are different dubs with different edits and what not. The Ocean dub differs from DBZ Kai for example. The only way to be fair is to defer to the source material imo

Originally posted by carver9
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Only cuz you want them to be skyfathers 😛

Originally posted by juggerman
There are several contradictions in the anime. I can name some if you'd like

Not really given what we know about the attack. Hell Buu didn't even tank it in the anime and the gap between him and Kirillin is far beyond what is was with Cell.

Not really. GT is canon to itself so we can debate it without it being canon to anything else. And there are different dubs with different edits and what not. The Ocean dub differs from DBZ Kai for example. The only way to be fair is to defer to the source material imo

buu's physiology is way different thancell and frieza's so he doesnt need to defend himself from kienzan at all thats why he let it cut him

Originally posted by yungz22
buu's physiology is way different thancell and frieza's so he doesnt need to defend himself from kienzan at all thats why he let it cut him

It was from behind. He didn't see it coming and therefore didn't "let it" do anything

Also base Goku cut Buutenks with it too. Again the power difference between the two was much greater than the difference between Cell and Gohan

Bills stomps
SSJ 3/4 Broly stomps
Frieza God Form stomps
Whis stomps

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
SSJ 3/4 Broly stomps

Huh?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Bills stomps
SSJ 3/4 Broly stomps
Frieza God Form stomps
Whis stomps

No, not even close.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You are out of your mind. Whis would spank Vegeta no matter what amp he does.

SSJ2 GT Goku >>> Whiss.

SSJ4 Vegeta >>>>>>>>> SSJ2 GT Goku.

SSJ4 Vegeta >>>>>>>>>>>> Whiss. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
SSJ2 GT Goku >>> Whiss.

SSJ4 Vegeta >>>>>>>>> SSJ2 GT Goku.

SSJ4 Vegeta >>>>>>>>>>>> Whiss. 👆

we dont even kno the limits of bills power let alone whis how can you say gt goku js stonger.

weve never even seen bills power

So everyone here doesn't not agree with Gogeta on much of anything but he assumes we are all wrong.

Originally posted by yungz22
we dont even kno the limits of bills power let alone whis how can you say gt goku js stonger.

weve never even seen bills power

We see what 70% of his full power can do. Adding another 30% will not put him on GT level

he is above GT. GT is not even canon. It is a weaker version of DBZ universe.

Hell they have movie characters in GT. So that right there makes it not canon to dbz.

GT Universe is a joke compared to DBZ. They do nothing to show the implied powered they are suppose to have by some...