Oh no, casual planet busters aren't showing the collateral damage we expect, clearly this means they're weaker than people in the previous arc, despite the story itself beating us over the head that that's not the case
This has always been a thing in DB, like when pre-RoSaT SSJ Vegeta blew up all of a truck being his best destructive feat
Some people just need to learn to deal with the fact that Super Vegeto became yesterday's news tier right after Super Baby's intro
Originally posted by bbrem123
he is above GT. GT is not even canon. It is a weaker version of DBZ universe.Hell they have movie characters in GT. So that right there makes it not canon to dbz.
GT Universe is a joke compared to DBZ. They do nothing to show the implied powered they are suppose to have by some...
GT is more powerful. Goku's most powerful form in Z was piss and shit compared to his base form in GT
I know it isn't canon. That's not the point. Z is canon to Gt. Therefore, all feats and power scaling works for GT.
You mean feats like treating SSJ3, one of the strongest forms in Z, like nothing but trash? GT is leaps and bounds more powerful. It sucks as a series but it's clearly the superior of the two in power
Originally posted by carver9
I thought of GT as a weaker version of Z as well. I'm basing this off of fts rather than power level. They didn't seem all that powerful to me.
Feats like what? Most of Z's feats are power scaling. A PL of 18,000 can do this and he has a power of 200,000 so he can do much more. There aren't a lot of acutal fears the show the range of their power in either
I just showed evidence that Z is not canon to GT. So this means nothing really. I honestly dont feel like getting into this debate again either. Seem like an endless debate with two different points of view.
I understand your point but seriously it is pretty meaningless here. Feats mean far more. Which GT was lacking it.
GT is a bunch of hyperbole. Fact.
To each their own I guess. 👆
Originally posted by bbrem123
I just showed evidence that Z is not canon to GT. So this means nothing really. I honestly dont feel like getting into this debate again either. Seem like an endless debate with two different points of view.I understand your point but seriously it is pretty meaningless here. Feats mean far more. Which GT was lacking it.
GT is a bunch of hyperbole. Fact.
To each their own I guess. 👆
I know GT is non canon. Everyone knows. That is not a valid argument here tho. If a GT character is being discussed, which is the case here, then GT is considered canon for the debate. And any way you slice it, DBZ is canon to DBGT. Just because it doesn't go the other way means nothing.
Being on par with a character confirmed to be 100x stronger than another known character is a feat.
GT is still superior in power. By a lot too
I understand you don't like GT. No one does. But to say they weren't a shit ton stronger is just willful ignorance or an outright lie.
Also it not "hyperbole" is called "power scaling" and it happens in DBZ as well. Tell me something will you? What actual feat does Cell have that makes him superior to Frieza? And by feat I don't mean "well he was stronger than...." or "well they said his power was....". I mean an actual, honest to goodness feat. Like if you never heard of these guys before and you were shown panels you would think "yup the green guy is stronger cuz blank."
The truth is Cell never destroyed a planet, his fights never destroyed countrysides, he never caused a giant fissure with the casual wave of his finger. So basically going by "feats" Frieza would absolutely shazz on Cell right? RIGHT?
DBZ and by extention DBGT rely heavily on power scaling and they have to or else it would be a stupid feat fest. Point is the characters get stronger, and then they face stronger opponents. So on and so forth. The baddies don't need feats to prove their power
@juggerman
so having movie villains in GT makes it somehow canon to DBZ when said movie are not canon themselves...sure whatever you say.
Also characters like Dende no longer have the ablitlies they had in DBZ. (Healing which was the only real ability he was know for too.)
Think what you want I guess
powerscaling a glorified hyperbole haha. Nothing more.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not talking about collateral damage. What I'm saying is, they seemed physical weaker than what they showed in DBZ. Nothing to do with blasting power, they just seem weaker strength wise. Things that wouldn't even harm kid Goku during DragonBall would've killed someone in GT.
Like what?
Originally posted by bbrem123
@juggermanso having movie villains in GT makes it somehow canon to DBZ when said movie are not canon themselves...sure whatever you say.
Also characters like Dende no longer have the ablitlies they had in DBZ. (Healing which was the only real ability he was know for too.)
Think what you want I guess
powerscaling a glorified hyperbole haha. Nothing more.
You clearly have trouble following what I'm saying. GT is not canon to Z. Z, however, IS canon to GT. What I mean by that is all the events in Z are part of the GT history. And GT chose to include movies. That doesn't change a thing.
Again that doesn't really change anything I've said. GT was a continuation of Z. A poor continuation I agree, but a continuation non the less. A few changes here and there doesn't change what it was meant to be.
You just don't want to accept facts.
That was a pretty dumb statement imo but I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.
Originally posted by bbrem123
@juggermanso having movie villains in GT makes it somehow canon to DBZ when said movie are not canon themselves...sure whatever you say.
Also characters like Dende no longer have the ablitlies they had in DBZ. (Healing which was the only real ability he was know for too.)
Think what you want I guess
powerscaling a glorified hyperbole haha. Nothing more.
No one here has said GT was cannon, except you. 👆
Z is cannon to GT, but GT is in no way, shape, or form, cannon to Z. This is fact. It doesn't change the fact that we can debate about GT though, as it is an anime. 👆
Not relevant, but when was it shown that Dende couldn't heal people, in GT? Plus, he can still make eternal dragon gods with a thought, so, ya' know.
No, powerscaling is the same as simple mathematics, you idiot. If a grenade can blow up a certain rock, then a nuke should be able to as well. Even without testing the nuke, you know it's potential. The only difference, is that the Z-fighters have to CONDENSE the mega-tonnage of their attacks, so they don't destroy what it is they're trying to protect. While Frieza and Saiyan saga Vegeta went around destroying planets, Cell and the Buu's never even did that, save for Kid Buu. And the reason, IN ALL THE CASES WHERE A PLANET OR MORE HAS BEEN DESTROYED(In DBZ), it has been because the villain was either a sore-loser, or simply didn't give a shit. Kid Buu went around destroying galaxies, before he absorbed the Daikaiou, which is what made him the most dangerous villain they had ever seen. Going by your logic, that makes him stronger than Bills, Whiss, Buuhan, Super Vegetto, and every other DBZ character.
GT has non-canon movie villains (Cooler) in it. How in gods name does this make Z canon to GT. So showing things that are non-canon to Z make it.
To bad you are a fool SSGGogeta and you are not even worth debating with.
You make idiotic claims. I will stick to debated with intelligent posters like juggerman and galan
Originally posted by juggermanI am saying it this cannont be 100% true because they show movie villains in GT. As well as have characters with missing powers (dende). All this shows me is that is a alternate spin off DBZ universe.
You clearly have trouble following what I'm saying. GT is not canon to Z. Z, however, IS canon to GT. What I mean by that is all the events in Z are part of the GT history. And GT chose to include movies. That doesn't change a thing.Again that doesn't really change anything I've said. GT was a continuation of Z. A poor continuation I agree, but a continuation non the less. A few changes here and there doesn't change what it was meant to be.
You just don't want to accept facts.
That was a pretty dumb statement imo but I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.
Originally posted by bbrem123
GT has non-canon movie villains (Cooler) in it. How in gods name does that this make Z canon to GT.
Sweet baby Jesus. It's like talking to a child.
Are the events in DBZ a part of the history in GT? IOW, did Goku come to Earth from Planet Vegeta, become a good guy, defeat King Piccolo/Vegeta/Frieza/Cell*/Buu, achieve SSJ1/2/3, marry Chi-Chi, have two sons, and set off to train Uub before the events of GT? If so than that means all the events in DBZ are canon to DBGT.
Or maybe this will help, we all know Revenge of Cooler is not canon right? But the events in DBZ that led up to the film are canon to the film. Frieza still blew up Planst Vegeta. Goku still became a Super Saiyan and defeated Frieza on Namek. Those events are canon to the movie. The movie itself is still non canon to the DBZ series. They don't have to be canon to eachother for this to work.
Did any of that help or are you still lost? Besides my slick comment at the start of this post, I'm seriously trying to help you understand this
Originally posted by bbrem123
I am saying it this cannont be 100% true because they show movie villains in GT. As well as have characters with missing powers (dende). All this shows me is that is a alternate spin off DBZ universe.
It IS an alternate spin off. Again: DBGT is not canon to DBZ but DBZ IS canon to DBGT. It just so happens that a film or two(I only remember Cooler in DBGT and no other movie villians) are also canon to GT