Originally posted by SSJGGogetaSeriously though.
LOL, hilarious of you to say something like that, when the only idiots on here agreeing with the stupid sh*t you drone on about, are the other people who have been accepted as the token retards of this entire forum. Won't name any names, but you already know who you are.👆
I would quit now before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
Oh wait never-mind that is impossible...proceed 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
When I said weakness, I was including things like arrogance. In all the scenes you mentioned, the latter individual was being cocky, and allowed an attack to hit them, because they were so confident they could withstand it. OTHER than Vegeta vs Bills, in which case, Bills was caught off guard, just like how Buutenks was, when base form Goku cut him in half with a kienzan.Hell, Krillin would have KILLED Nappa, if Vegeta didn't yell at him to dodge at the last second. Same with Vegeta and Cell. Cell would have died if he didn't realize how strong Vegeta's final flash was, and dodged to the left at the last second. I don't really understand the Goku vs Cell thing though, that you mentioned. They were both roughly equal in power, with Goku being slightly weaker. However, Cell didn't expect Goku to 1. Use a planet+ busting kamehameha, pointed towards the Earth he was trying to protect, or 2. Use instant transmission to teleport in front of him, to land a direct hit from a full power kamehameha.
Ok then.
Cell was far superior to Goku when they fought. The fight only seemed close due to Cell holding back a very large portion of his power. This is later confirmed in his fight with SSJ2 Gohan. And no, I'm not talking about when he bulked up a la Trunks and lost his speed. He powered up earlier than that and showed that he was always holding back up until that point which includes his fight with Goku
Gogeta won't come to terms with that SSG was stronger then Amped Vegeta, everything he has dont in this thread is to some how cement that.
Goku went head to head with Bills with Zero problems, his punches were not even hurting Goku and visa versa.
They were on par the entire battle even after Goku lost god form. This was the showcased fight in the movie however Gogeta here thinks Vegeta's 10 seconds of slapping bills around then getting tapped out with a finger makes him above Goku.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ur completly ignorant, he took some punches and then gotenks steped up and got spanked.After he goes "My Bulma" He took one punch to the face and a tap to the forehead and was KO.
Like I said he took 2 punches.
Goku tanked hundreds of attacks during there fight. While bills was going at 70%.
I stand by what I said.
What?
How are you gonna sit there, acknowledging that Vegeta took dozens of hits from Bills, and still say he got one shotted?
Vegeta took WAY more hits than Goku did, because Goku dodged most of the hits Bills gave him. Vegeta was fighting on par with Bills, and taking a bunch of his hits, while Goku just dodged a bunch of them, as they kept blasting each other away. Vegeta CLEARLY did AT LEAST as good as Goku did.
And the only reason he got KO'd by a flick is because he went all the way back to base form after using all his ki to phuck Bills up. Again, Vegeta with his rage boost did REAL damage to Bills. When it went off, he was done. That's like saying that Buutenks was weaker than Gohan, because he was weaker than him when the fusion wore off. That's RETARDED.
If you stand by what you said, then it proves how monumentally stupid you are. Just give up trying to save face here, and move on. You've already proven to be a legitimate troglodyte, no point in adding on to it.
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok then.Cell was far superior to Goku when they fought. The fight only seemed close due to Cell holding back a very large portion of his power. This is later confirmed in his fight with SSJ2 Gohan. And no, I'm not talking about when he bulked up a la Trunks and lost his speed. He powered up earlier than that and showed that he was always holding back up until that point which includes his fight with Goku
Yeah, I know the point you're talking about. Still though, if Cell hadn't eaten the senzu bean Goku gave him, and Goku did, Goku would have been able to beat him. Cell was even pushed into a corner several times in their fight, and it angered him. Like when Goku was laying down on him with ki blasts, and he got pissed, and threw up his perfect barrier. He told Goku that he was hurting him, but he couldn't kill him because of how much ki he was using.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Gogeta won't come to terms with that SSG was stronger then Amped Vegeta, everything he has dont in this thread is to some how cement that.Goku went head to head with Bills with Zero problems, his punches were not even hurting Goku and visa versa.
They were on par the entire battle even after Goku lost god form. This was the showcased fight in the movie however Gogeta here thinks Vegeta's 10 seconds of slapping bills around then getting tapped out with a finger makes him above Goku.
Again, I am not saying SSJG was weaker than Vegeta. I'm saying that Vegeta was on par with SSJG, albeit a bit weaker, which is supported by the fact that Vegeta with a sneak attack managed to bloody Bills, and do more damage to him than Goku did. Goku was clearly stronger than Vegeta, to be able to fight on par with Bills at 70%, without any shenanigans, but not by much. My point here, is that if SSJG Goku is Perfect Cell, then Amped Vegeta is at least MSSJ1 Goku. Do you see what I mean? MSSJ Goku was weaker than Cell, but not by much. He was able to hurt Cell, but Cell would have been able to kill him. It's the same with Amped Vegeta and SSJG Goku. Vegeta might be a bit weaker than SSJG Goku, but if they fought, he'd be able to phuck him up a bit before the amp wore off, or if it was permanent, he'd be able to do some good damage, but ultimately would lose.
The thing I'm trying to prove here, is that SSJG and Bills, and Whiss, aren't that strong compared to Amped Vegeta. Sure they're stronger than him, but if he used Kaioken X3 or X4 somehow, he would be stronger than them by FAR. If he went SSJ3 and got his amp though, he still wouldn't be able to beat SSJ2 GT kid Goku. Let alone SSJ4 high tiers that would kill Whiss with a gesture. The point is that Godly ki CAN be affected by normal ki, and this is very apparent. I just want you to remember that.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yeah, I know the point you're talking about. Still though, if Cell hadn't eaten the senzu bean Goku gave him, and Goku did, Goku would have been able to beat him. Cell was even pushed into a corner several times in their fight, and it angered him. Like when Goku was laying down on him with ki blasts, and he got pissed, and threw up his perfect barrier. He told Goku that he was hurting him, but he couldn't kill him because of how much ki he was using.
Sure Goku could have killed him, just like Vegeta could have killed him. Or Krillin could have killed Frieza or Nappa. It doesn't mean they were close in power at all tho.
Originally posted by juggerman
Sure Goku could have killed him, just like Vegeta could have killed him. Or Krillin could have killed Frieza or Nappa. It doesn't mean they were close in power at all tho.
Krillin could have killed Nappa, but not Frieza, lol. He could have maybe killed him in his second form, but any higher and his kienzan would have bounced off of him like it did to Cell.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, I am not saying SSJG was weaker than Vegeta. I'm saying that Vegeta was on par with SSJG, albeit a bit weaker, which is supported by the fact that Vegeta with a sneak attack managed to bloody Bills, and do more damage to him than Goku did. Goku was clearly stronger than Vegeta, to be able to fight on par with Bills at 70%, without any shenanigans, but not by much. My point here, is that if SSJG Goku is Perfect Cell, then Amped Vegeta is at least MSSJ1 Goku. Do you see what I mean? MSSJ Goku was weaker than Cell, but not by much. He was able to hurt Cell, but Cell would have been able to kill him. It's the same with Amped Vegeta and SSJG Goku. Vegeta might be a bit weaker than SSJG Goku, but if they fought, he'd be able to phuck him up a bit before the amp wore off, or if it was permanent, he'd be able to do some good damage, but ultimately would lose.The thing I'm trying to prove here, is that SSJG and Bills, and Whiss, aren't that strong compared to Amped Vegeta. Sure they're stronger than him, but if he used Kaioken X3 or X4 somehow, he would be stronger than them by FAR. If he went SSJ3 and got his amp though, he still wouldn't be able to beat SSJ2 GT kid Goku. Let alone SSJ4 high tiers that would kill Whiss with a gesture. The point is that Godly ki CAN be affected by normal ki, and this is very apparent. I just want you to remember that.
We can't even begin to measure Whis power its beyond the gods powers apparently. Vegeta amping with Kaioken even if he could would not even put him close to Whis.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
We can't even begin to measure Whis power its beyond the gods powers apparently. Vegeta amping with Kaioken even if he could would not even put him close to Whis.
How stupid are you?
Akira Toriyama EXPLICITLY stated that Whiss was 50% stronger than Bills. If Goku in SSJG could go Kaioken X2, he would be almost as strong as Whiss.
Toriyama said, "I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.".
All that garbage you just spewed about Whiss's power being immeasurable, is no more than that. Garbage. Presumptuous, idiotic, garbage.