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Originally posted by Sj_Sharp

Correct.

False: 10 is not 120% of 6.

False: Ssj God Goku is stronger than Boo saga Ssj Vegetto.

Just a personal, baseless assumption you are making here.

Since when is Ssj2 5x Ssj?

So, is Ssj2 Vegetto 2x Whis now? But, according to your own math you posted:

Ssj2 Vegetto = 5 (you said that he is 500% of Ssj Vegetto)
Whis = 2,5 (you said that Ssj2 Vegetto = 200% Whis)
Ssj Vegetto = 1
Beerus = 1,667 (you said that Whis = 150% Beerus)
SsjG Goku = 1,389 (you said here above that Beerus = 120% of Ssj God Goku)

So, it seems that, from your own numbers, Ssj God Goku is stronger than Ssj Vegetto, yet here above you yourself wrote this:

😐 You are contradicting yourself here.

Again, based on what? Just your opinion created on your own flawed numbers.

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Nope, 50% of 15 is 7.5, so if you subtract 50% of 15 from 15 itself (Beerus 50% weaker than Whis), you get 7.5 and not 10. Right?

True.

Nope, it doesn't work like that: 90% of 15 (Whis) is 13.5, so a guy 90% weaker than Whis should be at 1.5, but Ssj God Goku is at 6. 🙁

But Whis himself is more than twice as strong as Ssj God Goku, since 15 is more than the double of 6.

Again, when was this ever stated?

Gonna admit here... I phucked up a bit, because I treated the percentages as though they were the numbers from the scale, which from my vantage point was still correct, but might not be as obvious to other people.

My point is that SSJ2 is 5X SSJ1, as per Daizenshuu. SSJG is the same boost to SSJ3 as SSJ1 is to base, I just posted the link. And base Vegetto is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. So, SSJ1 Vegetto is the same amount stronger than SSJG Goku. This means that a hypothetical SSJ2 Vegetto, would be OVER 5 times stronger than SSJG Goku.

Now, since Whiss is over two times stronger than SSJG Goku, this would make SSJ2 Vegetto about 3 times stronger than Whiss.

And scaling GT kid Goku to be about equal to Vegetto, we get the same stats for him, except he also has SSJ2, 3, and 4. Meaning that SSJ2 GT kid Goku would be about 3 times stronger than Whiss, meaning HE could solo the DBZ verse, without even needing SSJ3, SSJ4, and most definitely without needing fusion.

See my point here?

Dunno where you're getting the "5x" multiplier..? The Daizenshuu states:
SSJ=50x base
SSJ2=2x SSJ
SSJ3=4x SSJ2

So according to the canon multipliers, a Saiyan's power 'only' doubles when they go from SSJ to SSJ2. It certainly doesn't quintuple, lol. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
http://www.saiyanisland.com/2013/03/akira-toriyama-interview/

where are the numbers?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Gonna admit here... I phucked up

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Gonna admit here... I phucked up a bit, because I treated the percentages as though they were the numbers from the scale, which from my vantage point was still correct, but might not be as obvious to other people.

My point is that SSJ2 is 5X SSJ1, as per Daizenshuu. SSJG is the same boost to SSJ3 as SSJ1 is to base, I just posted the link. And base Vegetto is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. So, SSJ1 Vegetto is the same amount stronger than SSJG Goku. This means that a hypothetical SSJ2 Vegetto, would be OVER 5 times stronger than SSJG Goku.

Now, since Whiss is over two times stronger than SSJG Goku, this would make SSJ2 Vegetto about 3 times stronger than Whiss.

And scaling GT kid Goku to be about equal to Vegetto, we get the same stats for him, except he also has SSJ2, 3, and 4. Meaning that SSJ2 GT kid Goku would be about 3 times stronger than Whiss, meaning HE could solo the DBZ verse, without even needing SSJ3, SSJ4, and most definitely without needing fusion.

See my point here?

you pulling these numbers out of your ass.

golu himself said fusion wouldnt work against bills so that means bills is stronger no matter what cockamany explanation you can come up with on your imagination dart board

hold up whats being argued here? lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno where you're getting the "5x" multiplier..? The Daizenshuu states:
SSJ=50x base
SSJ2=2x SSJ
SSJ3=4x SSJ2

So according to the canon multipliers, a Saiyan's power 'only' doubles when they go from SSJ to SSJ2. It certainly doesn't quintuple, lol. 👆

No, the Daizenshuu doesn't show the multipliers like that. It shows the power levels of different forms of characters, and you can see what the multipliers are through simple division.

It has been that way for a long time. Which is why SSJ2 Gohan did better than 5 SSJ1+ tier characters did. The multipliers I posted where accurate.

Originally posted by yungz22
you pulling these numbers out of your ass.

golu himself said fusion wouldnt work against bills so that means bills is stronger no matter what cockamany explanation you can come up with on your imagination dart board

Fusion =/= Potara

no matter what cockamany explanation you can come up with on your imagination dart board, whatever the hell that means. 🙄

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Gonna admit here... I phucked up a bit, because I treated the percentages as though they were the numbers from the scale, which from my vantage point was still correct, but might not be as obvious to other people.

My point is that SSJ2 is 5X SSJ1, as per Daizenshuu. SSJG is the same boost to SSJ3 as SSJ1 is to base, I just posted the link.

See my point here?

- Ssj2 is not 5x Ssj, never stated anywhere.

- SsjG gap over Ssj3 is not the equivalent of Ssj over base, you are making this up and it has never been stated anywhere how big the SsjG boost is.
Also, if it were the case SsjG Goku would still fall way below Boo saga Ultimate Gohan, which isn't clearly true.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Fusion =/= Potara

no matter what cockamany explanation you can come up with on your imagination dart board, whatever the hell that means. 🙄

i never said the fusions were equal in my post at all stop putting words in my mouth to cover up your idiocy

the post specifically says fusion is not stronger than bills

Originally posted by yungz22
i never said the fusions were equal in my post at all stop putting words in my mouth to cover up your idiocy

the post specifically says fusion is not stronger than bills

He's the smartest guy on the board remember, he just can't read that well.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, the Daizenshuu doesn't show the multipliers like that. It shows the power levels of different forms of characters, and you can see what the multipliers are through simple division.

Originally posted by Galan007
Incorrect. The multipliers are explicitly stated in the Daizernshuu, just as I provided. 👆

Shh Gogeta is always right.

in his tiny mind

Originally posted by yungz22
i never said the fusions were equal in my post at all stop putting words in my mouth to cover up your idiocy

the post specifically says fusion is not stronger than bills

So why are you acting like that statement automatically makes Vegetto weaker than Bills, when Vegetto was never even mentioned, and neither were the potara's?

Not my fault you're too dumb to even read your own post. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So why are you acting like that statement automatically makes Vegetto weaker than Bills, when Vegetto was never even mentioned, and neither were the potara's?

Not my fault you're too dumb to even read your own post. 👆

dude it doesnt matter if vegetos name was mentioned or not goku himself said fusion wouldnt work against bills......

Originally posted by yungz22
dude it doesnt matter if vegetos name was mentioned or not goku himself said fusion wouldnt work against bills......

Fusion =/= Vegetto

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Potara =/= Fusion dance

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And not to mention that Goku's feats >>> Goku's statements.

Vegeta bloodied Bills in SSJ2, and you expect anyone to believe that SSJ1 Gogeta couldn't have AT LEAST fought on par with him? Yeah, you're retarded.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Fusion =/= Vegetto

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Potara =/= Fusion dance

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And not to mention that Goku's feats >>> Goku's statements.

Vegeta bloodied Bills in SSJ2, and you expect anyone to believe that SSJ1 Gogeta couldn't have AT LEAST fought on par with him? Yeah, you're retarded.

then what was goku talking about when he said FUSION WOULDNT WORK.

remember fusion was taught to goku and trunk by goku himself so he knows how strong the dance can be. He has also experienced the potara rings on his own.......Im pretty sure goku is knows who can beat who.

also elder kai said potara was stronger than the dance as well just face it neither gogeta nor vegeto would have been able to beat bills

Originally posted by yungz22
then what was goku talking about when he said FUSION WOULDNT WORK.

remember fusion was taught to goku and trunk by goku himself so he knows how strong the dance can be. He has also experienced the potara rings on his own.......Im pretty sure goku is knows who can beat who.

also elder kai said potara was stronger than the dance as well just face it neither gogeta nor vegeto would have been able to beat bills

They had no potara's to fuse with, meaning their only option would have been to use the dance.

And Goku ALSO said that he never would be able to reach SSJG power on his own. And then he DID. As a SSJ1. 👆

Goku was unexperienced when it came to godly power. He didn't know much about it, which is why all of the statements he made were incorrect. 👆

There is no proof that Vegetto OR Gogeta would have lost to Bills, so... Yeah. 😉

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
They had no potara's to fuse with, meaning their only option would have been to use the dance.

And Goku ALSO said that he never would be able to reach SSJG power on his own. And then he DID. As a SSJ1. 👆

Goku was unexperienced when it came to godly power. He didn't know much about it, which is why all of the statements he made were incorrect. 👆

There is no proof that Vegetto OR Gogeta would have lost to Bills, so... Yeah. 😉

ok if there were no potaras to use then that means he knew he fusion dance wouldnt work regardless lol your fanboyism is showing with your stupid logic

Only reason goku can do it by himself now is because his body retained it from the first time he transformed....he never would have reached it on his own otherwise.... unless you mean to tell me shenron is wrong

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
They had no potara's to fuse with, meaning their only option would have been to use the dance.

And Goku ALSO said that he never would be able to reach SSJG power on his own. And then he DID. As a SSJ1. 👆

Goku was unexperienced when it came to godly power. He didn't know much about it, which is why all of the statements he made were incorrect. 👆

There is no proof that Vegetto OR Gogeta would have lost to Bills, so... Yeah. 😉

Bills rage stomps Vegetto.