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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
At the beginning of the movie King Kai said he should not be ****ed with at all. Thats how he knew the fusion would not matter. He knew he had to become a god to deal with him on any sort of level.

King Kai also said Frieza should not be f*cked with. So I guess King Kai is infallible now too?

Originally posted by juggerman
King Kai also said Frieza should not be f*cked with. So I guess King Kai is infallible now too?

Not really, at that time Goku was drastically much less powerful and was not even an SS.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yes he knew he was outclassed but he couldn't know by how much. That's my point

show me a point in time in the series where goku was wrong about who can beat who?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not really, at that time Goku was drastically much less powerful and was not even an SS.

Still he was shown to not be all knowing. He outright Stated Frieza was unbeatable

Originally posted by juggerman
Still he was shown to not be all knowing. He outright Stated Frieza was unbeatable

I never said he was all knowing, you said there was no way Goku could know how powerful Bills was just because he could not sense his power level. He does not need to sense his power level to know whats going on.

Originally posted by yungz22
show me a point in time in the series where goku was wrong about who can beat who?

That's not what we are discussing. He has been wrong about how powerful some characters were in the past.

But to answer your question I can think of a few times he was wrong about who can beat whom.

Goku thought he would beat Jackie Chun. Wrong
Goku thought he would beat Tao the first time. Wrong
Goku thought Krillin and Gohan could beat Ginyu in Goku's body. Wrong
Goku thought Gohan would beat Buucolo. Wrong.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I never said he was all knowing, you said there was no way Goku could know how powerful Bills was just because he could not sense his power level. He does not need to sense his power level to know whats going on.

He could know how powerful Beerus was since he couldn't sense it. Yes he would be able to tell Beerus was far above his own ability but just how far would be a mystery to him.

Not really, if he is in SS3 and cant land a hit, and gets TKO'd from a tap to the neck, I think he knows.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Not really, if he is in SS3 and cant land a hit, and gets TKO'd from a tap to the neck, I think he knows.

The same would happen to him if he fought Vegetto so no that doesn't tell him Vegetto wouldn't be enough

EDIT: Hell Gohan with his potential unlocked could probably school SSJ3 Goku the same way.

Originally posted by juggerman
The same would happen to him if he fought Vegetto so no that doesn't tell him Vegetto wouldn't be enough

EDIT: Hell Gohan with his potential unlocked could probably school SSJ3 Goku the same way.

I doubt it, SS3 was portrayed above Gohan in Buu Saga.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I doubt it, SS3 was portrayed above Gohan in Buu Saga.

Are you serious? Gohan was leagues above Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. Remember when Buu lost the kids' fusion? Goku said that Gohan could take him by himself now. Not either one could. Only Gohan

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you serious? Gohan was leagues above Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. Remember when Buu lost the kids' fusion? Goku said that Gohan could take him by himself now. Not either one could. Only Gohan

Yea you right, I forgot about that part. I am having trouble remembering what happened to Gohan and why he got taken out of the fight and Goku had to fight Buu at the end in SS3.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yea you right, I forgot about that part. I am having trouble remembering what happened to Gohan and why he got taken out of the fight and Goku had to fight Buu at the end in SS3.

Gohan got absorbed by Buu. Then when they freed him Buu blew up the planet killing Gohan and the others before they woke up. Gohan would have stomped Kid Buu

Originally posted by juggerman
Goku said that Gohan could take him by himself now. Not either one could. Only Gohan

I thought he said: "Even Gohan can take you now", while depowering to base, wasn't that supposed to mean he could've handled Buccolo on his own?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I thought he said: "Even Gohan can take you now", while depowering to base, wasn't that supposed to mean he could've handled Buccolo on his own?

Nah. Gohan was clearly more powerful. There was also the part when Goku and Vegeta depowered Buuhan and he reverted to Super Buu. Vegeta suggests they exit his body and fight him and Goku says he still far too powerful for them. Yet Gohan was stomping Super Buu effortlessly.

I'll post links shortly

Gohan could beat you:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3152-10/dragon-ball/chapter-503.html

He's still far too strong for us:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html

Originally posted by juggerman
But they didn't. How could they when they could not feel it?

I didn't realise Vegetto is a form reachable by normal training. Also, once again, how would he know when he had absolutely no way of knowing how powerful Beerus was?

Goku also comments about how powerful godly power is when he reaches it himself. So he would know. Hell Beerus was only using a small fraction of his power at the time too.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Vegetto is not but his powerlevel is. Unlike god form.

Goku also comments about how powerful godly power is when he reaches it himself. So he would know. Hell Beerus was only using a small fraction of his power at the time too.

But he made the comment about "fusion not working" before he reached the level. Had he made it afterwards, we wouldn't need to discuss it

So you think Fusion would have worked even though he said it would not?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So you think Fusion would have worked even though he said it would not?

No. I'm saying we have no idea if it would have worked or not, and if not, how well it might have done.