Yes Mace is superior to anyone here in a physical contest as well, Mace probably even superior to Darth Maul or Savage. None of them can match with a Gundark in a physical contest, Maul and Savage can match with a Wampa but not a Gundark.
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Mace isn't any faster than Kit Fisto, and Mace's physical stats aren't really enough to bridge the gap of collective skill the B-Team has over him.
And are you serious? All Mace did was hit them a couple of times, get grabbed, and then kill one with his lightsaber. Maul ripping the skull off of a varactyl without even utilising Force Augmentation amongst his other strength feats are beyond Windu's capabilities. As are Savage's, tbh, who's sheer size alone is enough to overpower Windu in a contest of sheer strength. Savage has snapped bones in his grip, dented stone with his fists prior to being upgraded, shattered steel restrains just by flexing, hurled Obi-Wan and Anakin ect. Mace is faster than Savage but he's slower, less durable, and has less endurance than Maul. He's below Maul in every physical category somewhat.
No, except pain tolerance and durability, Mace is superior to Maul in a every physical category. Mace's kick disarmed Sidious, Mace managed to hurt a Gundark, the same Gundark species stomped TCW Anakin, I doubt Maul could hurt a Gundark with a kick or punch, nor he is capable of disarming Sidious with a kick, he tried to kick Sidious in mandalore and he failed to disarming him.
I also forgot Mace's micro-series feat, he was punching super-battle droids with his bare hands there.
1. Kicking someone in the hand and disarming them of their weapon, especially in a fight where you are amped beyond your normal physical capabilities, isn't a better strength feat than:
- shattering durasteel binders with a flex
- kicking through durasteel
- smashing metal droids
- punching into a Wampa's torso
- shattering a workshop table
- tearing the skull off of a massive varactyl without augmenting yourself with the Force
- kicking into a person's torso
- hoisting and choking an armored, 7 foot tall predator hard enough for blood to spurt from it's eyes and mouth
- shattering a spine without Force augmentation
- throwing neck-cracking blows without Force augmentation
Ect, ect.
2. I'm pretty sure Maul could momentarily stun a Gundark, they don't seem too impressive durability-wise unless I'm missing something. Maul is pretty clearly stronger than Windu. And he should be somewhat faster as well although it's a marginal edge.
Originally posted by ILS
I actually don't see why Mace has a chance. All right, I get it, the PT sucks and everyone hates the B-Team cus they're featlezz. But they're all, individually, comparable duelists to Mace, and Tiin alone can cover the power gap. Windu does not have a chance in hell of winning this fight.
Uh, if they were comparable, they would not have died while he was able to get the upper hand.
Fisto *may* possibly be as fast, but wasn't as skilled.
Fisto's got quite a number of feats, but he's still not on Windu's level, and the others are lower than that.
Originally posted by Q99That was due to a large disparity in speed, not skill, and Windu wasn't fighting Sidious under normal circumstances like he is here. Tiin being noted as one of the Jedi's best duelists and being able to spar evenly with Windu for a brief time makes him loosely comparable to Windu. Same thing goes with Kolar and Fisto except Kolar has a much more solid feat in wrecking Quinlan Vos, and Fisto has wrecked a pair of Magnaguards, is objectively better than AotC Kenobi, beat TCW Grievous quite handily ect. All three of them can provide a good challenge to Mace in a duel, never mind all three at once.
Uh, if they were comparable, they would not have died while he was able to get the upper hand.Fisto *may* possibly be as fast, but wasn't as skilled.
Fisto's got quite a number of feats, but he's still not on Windu's level, and the others are lower than that.
And I never said Fisto was as skilled as Windu, just that he's comparable.
Originally posted by ILSI'm pretty sure that vos wasn't going all out in his duel with agen. His mission was to gain dooku's trust; not kill a fellow jedi. You can also tell that vos was holding back because oneshotted k'ruhk when he was serious.
That was due to a large disparity in speed, not skill, and Windu wasn't fighting Sidious under normal circumstances like he is here. Tiin being noted as one of the Jedi's best duelists and being able to spar evenly with Windu for a brief time makes him loosely comparable to Windu. Same thing goes with Kolar and Fisto except Kolar has a much more solid feat in wrecking Quinlan Vos, and Fisto has wrecked a pair of Magnaguards, is objectively better than AotC Kenobi, beat TCW Grievous quite handily ect. All three of them can provide a good challenge to Mace in a duel, never mind all three at once.And I never said Fisto was as skilled as Windu, just that he's comparable.
Originally posted by deathslashVos was possibly holding back when he was first disarmed, but he declares afterwards that there is no option but to be enemies with Agen - at which point Agen wrecks him. I don't believe this is Vos in his prime or anything, but he's still a solid duelist at this point so Kolar stomping him in a matter of a couple of moves without killing him is highly impressive.
I'm pretty sure that vos wasn't going all out in his duel with agen. His mission was to gain dooku's trust; not kill a fellow jedi. You can also tell that vos was holding back because oneshotted k'ruhk when he was serious.
Originally posted by ILS
Let me know when Mace produces multiple cyclones from his blade whilst speedblitzing two Magnaguards. I mean, the difference in speed would be marginal at best but it's there.
I'll let you know when Mace lasts more than a few seconds against Sidious...
Oh wait...
Feats are BS without powerscaling.
Un-amped / Default Mace Windu should be fast as (or maybe faster) TCW Darth Maul, Count Dooku and Kit Fisto. Otherwise he couldn't amp himself without getting killed against Sidious, Default Mace Windu can certainly react to Darth Sidious level beings.
Mace also teleported behind Asajj Ventress, and Quinlan Vos, these feats are good as speedblitzing magnaguards (maybe better)
