I don't see how I'm wanking his speed. I don't even like Sidious...
Maul parried the blow and reversed, coming at Sidious from the opposite side. But Sidious had already vanished, leaving Maul to lunge at the empty air. As Maul lost his balance, his body fell against the cave's wall.Sidious said from behind Maul, "You are that pathetic. You are weak. Not worthy of being a Sith Lord. I have misjudged you."
Maul's anger burned to rage. He spun fast and swung his lightsaber again, but again he failed to strike Sidious, who moved faster than he could follow.
Source: The Wrath of Darth Maul
The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me. Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.Source: Episode 1 Journal: Darth Maul
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?Unless you want to start whining about canon, I don't see where fault in my argument about Sidious' speed lies.Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them
Source: Revenge of the Sith
TPM Maul failed to react Sidious is EU dog crap imo. Fisto managed to tag Sidious for a while, so is Fisto faster than TPM Maul ? Even if he is I doubt there is too much difference.
Also one of the feat happened when Maul caught off guard and Sidious take his weapon leave him vulnerable, of course Maul would failed to tag him while he was un-armed.
Not to mention, Sidious himself also said that ''Maul fought good.'' So it is kind of inconsistent, especially Maul tagged Sidious in Hypori while he was wounded and starving to the death, it is a good feat.
Sidious shifted like a liquid shadow, maneuvering around his apprentice. Maul was suddenly up against the wall, gasping for breath as his vision blurred. His strength was evaporating. He turned fast to see Sidious. Sidious lashed out with his lightsaber. Maul parried the blow, but then his lightsaber suddenly flew from his hand. As Maul heard his lightsaber deactivate and clatter across the cave's floor, Sidious raised his own lightsaber and advanced. Maul knew he was about to die, but he did not cringe. As Sidious swung his lightsaber. Maul leaped forward, grabbed Sidious's wrist, and sank his teeth into his hand. Maul tasted blood and spat it back at Sidious.
----Source : Wrath of Darth Maul
Plagueis looked over his shoulder, his eyes narrowed in question. “You’ve fought him in a serious way?” Reconstructed vocal chords and trachea imparted a metallic quality to his voice, as if he were speaking through an enunciator. “I stranded him on Hypori for a month without food and with only a horde of assassin droids for company. Then I returned to goad and challenge him. All things considered, he fought well, even after I deprived him of his lightsaber. He wanted to kill me, but was prepared to die at my hand.”
-----Source : Darth Plagueis Novel
Fisto had Mace aiding him, and he still couldn't perceive Sidious, and I also didn't say that Maul couldn't react to Sidious - only that he couldn't see him. That's the third time now someone has failed to interpret what I'm saying.
Maul trying to tag Sidious (he wasn't) would be irrelevant in the showing where Sidious outlines Maul's body with a saber faster than he can see. Even if he was trying to tag Sidious it wouldn't affect his perception speeds.
Sidious was holding back monumentally on Maul during the showing on Hypori. That's why he opted to use a training saber while Maul had a real one. And Maul being able to bite him really isn't indicative of any inconsistency. You're just reaching, as usual.
"he fought well, even after I deprived him of his lightsaber" - as in, he showed a lot of willpower, which was the entire point of the trial on Hypori. It wasn't in reference to his fight with Sidious in in terms of skill or speed, due to the fact Sidious was dodging him at speeds too fast for him to perceive, beating him with a training saber and disarming him in a single move.
Originally posted by ILS
Fisto had Mace aiding him, and he still couldn't perceive Sidious, and I also didn't say that Maul couldn't react to Sidious - only that he couldn't see him. That's the third time now someone has failed to interpret what I'm saying.
If Maul is capable to react to someone's attacks, it is pointless to bring speed argument with him. First of all it is just an exaggerated metaphor. And even if we consider it a real thing, it doesn't prove anything, eye perception is unreliable, that's why Force users rely on pre-cog.
Sidious was holding back monumentally on Maul during the showing on Hypori. That's why he opted to use a training saber while Maul had a real one. And Maul being able to bite him really isn't indicative of any inconsistency. You're just reaching, as usual.
Back to the topic. You assume that Windu is not as capable under normal circumstances, good luck proving that because you can't.
Originally posted by Marco1907
eye perception is certainly not reliable in SW Mythos.
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Not that anyone actually is "Invisible" when they move in SW.
I do actually think though It'd make more sense to assume Sidious froze Kolar with Tk. There's simply no other explanation for a Jedi Master just freezing the way he did.
Tiin on the other hand was killed killed via Sidious's mobility- (He swung around to hit Tiin). And Fisto just through Sidious being faster, having far superior Pre-Cog and skill. But even in that situation, Fisto can clearly fend off a few strikes.
"Your pleasure," Kit hissed, and went at her. He was like fire, Ventress like smoke. The dance had substance but not form, a blur of light that seemed impossibly fast, unbelievably deadly. The two leapt and swerved, collided and bounced away. Single against double light-blades. Hands, knees, feet, all in a mind-numbing blur.---The Cestus Deception
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Originally posted by ILS
Ahhh gotcha."Mind numbing" and "blur" = "Too fast to see" and "too fast to follow"
Awesome. Makes sense.
Don't sing it bring it.
Show us all Sidious being invisible. Post a video. Shouldn't Be difficult considering he's fought the 2 most powerful Jedi in live action with Cgi effects plus fought in animation.
You're accusing this thread of being ridiculous, yet all you're going by is hyperbole statements. Post this "invisible" speed or rethink your stance.
Force Users aren't invisible in canon - I'm referencing Legends. In Legends Darth Maul can see people who move nigh-imperceptibly fast in slow motion, yet he can't see Sidious. How fast do you think that makes him?
Vader himself has materialized out of thin air by moving fast enough, people move imperceptibly fast all the time. Maybe if you picked up a book and stopped watching animations you'd figure that out. Making Force Users too fast to see from the audiences perspective makes no sense because you'd be watching nothing.......
It's hinted in the novel that Saesee might have been screwed over telepathically before he was physically cut down.
I wouldn't hold too much weight in that, though. The more likely explanation is simply that none of them were truly expecting the Chancellor to hurl himself at four Council Masters with a battle cry in the middle of his office-for just about anyone else that would be suicide. They were expecting another Dooku--none of them were prepared for the skill or speed or ferocity that Palpatine possessed. Kit was the only member of the strike force who was actually worried about the mission's success.
Also, hasn't it already been covered that Gillard himself specified that Star Wars combat sequences are slowed down to our level of awareness? What's the point of watching a movie of nigh-imperceptible blurs flickering across the screen?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The more likely explanation is simply that none of them were truly expecting the Chancellor to hurl himself at four Council Masters with a battle cry in the middle of his office-for just about anyone else that would be suicide. They were expecting another Dooku--none of them were prepared for the skill or speed or ferocity that Palpatine possessed. Kit was the only member of the strike force who was actually worried about the mission's success.
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Especially a Juyo specialist like him. That's also makes sense if we compare Maul & Savage vs. Sidious duel with this one (like Filoni did) since both Maul and Savage were using Juyo, it was a familiar style to them to counter Sidious's, while Jedi Council members certainly were not expecting something like this ;
''the Chancellor to hurl himself at four Council Masters with a battle cry in the middle of his office-for just about anyone else that would be suicide. They were expecting another Dooku--none of them were prepared for the skill or speed or ferocity that Palpatine possessed. ''
Originally posted by ILS
Force Users aren't invisible in canon - I'm referencing Legends. In Legends Darth Maul can see people who move nigh-imperceptibly fast in slow motion, yet he can't see Sidious. How fast do you think that makes him?Vader himself has materialized out of thin air by moving fast enough, people move imperceptibly fast all the time. Maybe if you picked up a book and stopped watching animations you'd figure that out. Making Force Users too fast to see from the audiences perspective makes no sense because you'd be watching nothing.......
Lol maybe if you could differentiate between hyperbole statements and actual visual feats you would wake up to the reality of how force users move.
Even in your precious Legends the animation and films ALWAYS took priority over it. You would know that if you actually understood the material you read.
And yes it is very easy to sow invisible speed for audiences to see. Just go watch the Matrix or a Superman movie.