Originally posted by NewGuy01
Just for the record...Jedi using force augmentation to move at imperceptible speeds is far from far fetched, unless you'd like to argue Qui-Gon is as fast as Yoda or Palpatine, or even Maul? No? Cool.
Yeah because I never knew about that scene 😬
That was a short sprint. Luke also does an incredibly fast leap in ESB. And that's really useful for surprise attack, or to dodge blaster bolts e.t.c.
Sprints and leaps are one thing though. But when you have a clear example of Jedi/Sith actually "Continuously Fighting" at invisible speeds, then come back to me.
If they could do that then there would have been no fight between Maul and Vizsla. Or Jango and Kenobi. Or Jango and Mace.
The Mandalorians are exceptional in this series imo. Nevertheless, Force senstives are not at an entire different tier in SW, AotC showed us that many Jedi can be killed by mere battle droids. Without the clones, Jedi was doomed. Order 66 another example.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
that's really useful for surprise attack,
^ A Bullrush attack is what I meant here.
Just to clarify I'm not suggesting Jedi/Sith have no superhuman speed whatsoever.
I'm saying it's been exaggerated a lot. They are not "invisible" to other people let alone to other Jedi.
And their fastest application of speed is through short burst leaps or sprints.
Their speed is more like Blade or Spider-man. It's nothing like The Flash or Quicksilver. The Invisible thing is hyperbole.
Also I agree with Marco that Mandalorian warriors tend to be exceptional. But hardly invisible.
Shaak Ti hating and awesome art work in one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sprints and leaps are one thing though. But when you have a clear example of Jedi/Sith actually "Continuously Fighting" at invisible speeds, then come back to me.
1.) Does it really matter, since the subject at hand is the B-Team being blitzed by Palpatine? Pretty sure that could qualify as a "bulrush" or "surprise" attack, or whatever you were going on about.
2.) Again, I'm almost positive Nick Gillard has pointed out in interviews that the movements of Jedi are slowed down to the audience's level of awareness in the fight scenes. The image I provided demonstrates the speed that Jedi can actually move at.
For example, the Kenobi/Jinn vs Maul fight--At the very end, we see Kenobi racing down a hallway as Maul and Jinn duel in hopes of getting to the final chamber before the ray shields re-activated. Don't you think that if Kenobi could have been moving faster with a "burst of speed" or whatever you want to call it, he would have?
1. I suppose. Just didn't seem very fast. Though he did leap at them, so it's possible. But then Fisto did block a few strikes, so he clearly wasn't completely invisible to Fisto at least.
2. Not sure where Gillard said that. But it doesn't matter, because we've seen their true combat speed now in animation form. And again their fastest depiction of speed is shown when they leap. Considering Yoda and Sidious leap around a lot more than other Jedi/Sith during combat that's probably the main factor around them being faster than others.
Kenobi may have been too tired by that point in the fight to do a high speed sprint. I mean that's actually just more proof they're not that fast throughout a fight, or at any time they desire. We did however see him leap up to their level fast, which is why I keep saying that's where we see their super speed for the most part, through leaps.
IF the super fast sprint was something they could do at any time, then surely the Jedi on Geonosis would have had no problem just sprinting through the entire droid army which was about to destroy them.
So that's just how I see it for now until more "Visual" evidence presents itself. Maybe next year in Episode 7.
