Alright, here's my new list. 1-9 is pretty much the same, 10-20 I changed several people:
1.Palpatine
2.Vitiate
3.Plagueis
4.Nihilus
5.Dread Masters
6.Caedus
7.Tulak Hord
8.Krayt ~ Kallig
9.Vader
10.Order of the Sith Lords (Starting from Zannah up until Plaguies. Plagueis, Palpatine, Maul, Dooku, and Vader vary cause Palpatine is a troll.)
11.Bane
12.Malgus
13.Exar Kun
14.Jen’ari
15.Dark Council Members
16.Dooku
17.Maul
18.Traya ~ Ragnos
19.Freedon Nadd
20.Malak ~ Sadow
My question is why would anyone not have Nihilus as #1? There is no one in the mythos that could defeat Nihilus definitively in a 1 versus 1 fight, save for the exile who just happened to a wound that he was unaware of. Even though after he was vastly weakened by his own powers being turned against him, it took the combined might of the Exile and a strike team to kill him.
Originally posted by Board Walker
My question is why would anyone not have Nihilus as #1? There is no one in the mythos that could defeat Nihilus definitively in a 1 versus 1 fight, save for the exile who just happened to a wound that he was unaware of. Even though after he was vastly weakened by his own powers being turned against him, it took the combined might of the Exile and a strike team to kill him.
Cause I believe Palpatine's Plagueis, and Vitiate have enough Force reserves to "tank" the hit for a limited time and since I also believe they have the knowledge to resist Drain they can use it well enough to hinder Nihilus-sama's drain even longer. Palpatine and Vitiate can perform Drain on a planetary scale too, and Plagueis has caused stuff to happen on a planetary scale with his energies. They also have the speed to cut him down. My two cents anyways.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Cause I believe Palpatine's Plagueis, and Vitiate have enough Force reserves to "tank" the hit for a limited time and since I also believe they have the knowledge to resist Drain they can use it well enough to hinder Nihilus-sama's drain even longer. Palpatine and Vitiate can perform Drain on a planetary scale too, and Plagueis has caused stuff to happen on a planetary scale with his energies. They also have the speed to cut him down. My two cents anyways.
So I have debated this before, and I'll pull up some of my prior post for you to see. The point I'm going to present to you is that Nihilus does not know or perform Force Drain, what he does is instantly devour ones connection to the Force itself. He force severs ones soul, and essence from the force.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Cause I believe Palpatine's Plagueis, and Vitiate have enough Force reserves to "tank" the hit for a limited time and since I also believe they have the knowledge to resist Drain they can use it well enough to hinder Nihilus-sama's drain even longer. Palpatine and Vitiate can perform Drain on a planetary scale too, and Plagueis has caused stuff to happen on a planetary scale with his energies. They also have the speed to cut him down. My two cents anyways.
I'll quote the whole thing but I'll bold and underline the parts you should know if you don't want to read it all.
Kreia: "He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts.
{Chiding}Power? Do you think so?{Shakes head}You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite.Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did. As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely. Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time. "
As you can see, Traya says clearly that the immense power Nihilus has can not be taught. It is an empty road in the dark side and if Revan had the instinct and experienced it, he may be like Nihilus too. Which he isn't so how could he have learned it?
The power is clearly not a Force Drain, though. It requires using the Force Bonds explained in KOTOR II but then severing them and cutting off life itself before feeding on the death caused by this.
Also Kreia says Nihilus and his Assassin's technique must be killed so this power is lost forever. If you could learn it or if Revan had known it, she would have wanted him destroyed it.
Originally posted by The Merchant
If Kun could tank a Force Sever I'm pretty sure those three can as well. Maybe a connection to the Force is also as strong as one's reserves?
I don't think so because it states that Nihilus feeds upon all bonds of the force, he devours the very connections an entity has with the force itself. He isn't severing you from the force, he is literally devouring the very force itself. On top of that he devours any and all Will power that one puts into the force, thus why so many became his mindless slaves.
As for those claiming he will speed blitz? Look at the above post, it states he constantly and at all times devouring the force around him, and devouring the will of anyone who channels the force. Nihilus doesn't need to react they would instantly be devoured, their soul and connection to the force would be consumed as would their Will power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Sidious is the bestest ever.
Sidious is not the best duelist nor practitioner of the force in a direct combat situation, thus why he was soundly defeated at the hands of DE luke Skywalker.
Sidious is also not the best strategist or tactician, as is his inferiority to Revan and many others in a theatre of open war.
What makes Sidious so valuable is because he is quite good in several areas of intelligence, and not the best in any single area. He is quite skilled in manipulation, deception, long term planning, patience, sith alchemy, and is quite skilled in saber combat.
Sidious is overall very powerful due to his expertise in several fields of practice, however he is by no means number 1 in terms of power within the mythos. Caedus would kill DE sidious in one versus one combat, Revan would defeat sidious in an all out open war where each side possessed equal resources, and Nihilus dwarfs Sidious in terms of raw Force power output.
Kreia said he uses a dark-side version of Force Sever, and it kills the opponent and then he drains the opponent after he's done. Palpatine's raw output is greater than Nihilus, ripping apart space-time takes a lot of energy. If we bring science into this, to make a wormhole that's the size of a micron, which is merely a bend of space-time, you would need the energy output of 10 billion Stars to do so that's made in one year.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Kreia said he uses a dark-side version of Force Sever, and it kills the opponent and then he drains the opponent after he's done. Palpatine's raw output is greater than Nihilus, ripping apart space-time takes a lot of energy. If we bring science into this, to make a wormhole that's the size of a micron, which is merely a bend of space-time, you would need the energy output of 10 billion Stars to do so that's made in one year.
She never states Nihilus uses a dark side variant of Force Severe, she states that Nihilus is able to instinctively feed upon the bonds that combine an entity with that of the force. She also states Nihilus is able to devour the Will that an individual puts into the force when he/she uses the force, Nihilus devours an entities will power, and also their bonds that connect them to the force.
This is a very critical difference because the counter for Force drain is to put a portion of your internal force energy outside of yourself in order to stall the effect of the force drain. Nihilus doesn't devour your force energy rather he devours your "bonds" with the force, and he devours your will pour that allows you to use the force. There is no known defense against this.'
Also Nihilus possesses the greatest TK feats in all of the Starwars Mythos, it is arguable that Nihilus could instantly TK ragdoll/crush Nihilus.
Originally posted by Trocity
lol @ Revan beating Sidious
As of the 3.0 update Revan defeats the top 8 champions of the Sith Empire and the Republic combined simultaneously, and he does this at only half power. The only reason the player wins is because Revan's Light half sabotages the tangible Dark Half you are fighting.
Sidious could not replicate this feat