Phew! Finally seen this film!
I am glad SOMEONE pointed out that they were after the access codes from Morpheus, NOT the location of Zion. What makes people think they did not know where Zion was? They even make reference in the film about having beaten off previous attacks. The point of the threat is not that they have found it, but that they are bypassing its defence systems by drilling.
So, if the story about destroying the previous Zions is true, the sentinels presumably wait for the right time to start this drilling tactic which is the most efficient way to destroy it.
Some people seem to think that Trinity is a way to ensure Neo does what the machines want and save the humans. I am unsure why they think this. It is clearly said that by returning to the Matrix to save Trinity he would doom Zion and the entire human race.
Again the Architect clearly says that there are 'levels of survival we are willing to accept' when Neo says this would mean the end of the machines as well. Clearly, therefore, they CAN live without humans if they have to, they just don't want it that way.
But clearly the Architect cannot make Neo choose what he wants, except in the manipulative free will vs. fate way esposed by the whole film. As the Architect points out, the previous Ones had a general attachment to the human race which led them to enter the Source and do as planned. But Neo has a SPECIFIC attachment to ONE human and this overrides his general sense of purpose and leads to a decision which- if the Architect is being truthful- creates a situation that has never happened before, in that the disruptive elements will destroy the sixth Matrix and the machines destroy Zion (though there is a small question mark as to why they would continue to destroy Zion if their main plan has failed- best to leave SOME humans alive, I would have thought).
And Dexx seems to think the Agents have become pussies, HUH? Seemed damn hard to me! Aside from Neo all anyone else can ever do is survive them, not best them.
As for Agent Smith 'escaping' the Matrix... well, I do not know for sure but I think there may be less to this than people think.
This seems incredible because there should not be any way something in the Matrix can affect the real world. But it is very easy to overlook the obvious existing contradictions to that presumed rule- death and injury. "Your mind makes it real," says Morpheus in the original. You get punched, you bruise, Matrix AND real world. Real blood vessels rupture and you bleed. In any obvious sense that is impossible. But by the same principle, if dying in the Matrix makes you die in real life, then why would not being overwritten by Smith in the Matrix overwrite your brain patterns in real life? After all, it is your MIND that is in the Matrix so if any part of you could be affected for real it would be that. Smith just had to time it right.
This would remove the need for Matrices within Matrices explaining it.
I just watched it again off a download i got off Kazaa (if anyone wants the info on the exact file PM me) and I noticed something
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I am totally against the oracle being the mother of the matrix in the line where neo makes a guess as to the oracle the tone from the architect was clearly dismissive when he said: "Please, as I was saying...." just thought I would share that.
Spoiler:What do you guys think?
I also wanted to comment on the ear piece that was given to neo toward the beginning of the movie. I think this "gift" was not only symbolic to the freedom of Smith but also a link to the machines. Isn't it possible that this could be why Neo "short circuited" the sentinels? Maybe he found a way to use the code from smith to link up with machines which not only could explain that mystery, but also explain Bane's survival as well. I only say this because I stand on the side of fans that don't believe the matrix within a matrix theory that has been floating around.
i don't fully think the agents as pussies...but as i said..there are many characters who can defeat them by now. That saraph guy could probably handle more than one very well. But ofcourse..he protects what matters most. And the twins...but these are all programs ofcourse...
i don't know about the other meravingian's men...are they programs also?
AND..morpheus handled that agent ontop of the truck pretty well comparing his battle with smith in the first..
But the biggest one of them all was that fight with neo...against 300 (or how many) agents. If you study the agent's moves (some of them) barely raise their hands at him. Even when he throws them into eachother....there's that sound only found at..well...bowling!😄
THANK YOU! more people are starting to believe that The Oracle isn't the Mother. We know that Smith knew where Zion was, but what he didn't know is the access codes. He probably wanted to send in some sort of virus to disable the machines that enable all the humans to live. Would it not be easier than drilling a few thousand miles through earth with a quarter million sentinals?
We didn't know about all those people in the first movie because that was the birth of a hero, not the life. Also, no one else knew about them because the time had not come yet. Once Neo comes along, they discover all these people and objects through him.
I definetely don't agree with the matrix within a matrix theory. We know the guy with the goatee, the one smith took over, was also unconscious after being the only survivor of the machine attack. Why is that? Why is he unconscious like Neo? Chances are, he probably stopped the machines doing the same thing Neo had. It all comes down to the fact that there's a strong connection between Neo and Smith.
Rather more straightforwardly, access codes to Zion's mainframe would simply allow the machines to disable Zion's security.
Seraph MAY be able to take an agent, Dexx, but then he is a one-off spectacular whose whole concept is 'wow, he can draw with Neo!' The twins were very FLASHY but they were nowhere near as lethal as an agent- Morpheus took on both at once, that would bring death in seconds against an agent. And yes, he did well on the fight on the truck. This is because he was a HERO. But just like Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul, he lost the FIGHT. He won the situation with heroics.
Almost certainly the Merovingian's men are other programmes as well else they could not have fought Neo for toffee.
finally saw it (had to wait a week due friends seeing it and one won't)
flashy fx's, some were REALLY crappy (those were also in the trailer)
lots of action (perhaps too much?)
and imho, the entire idea of the matrix has been destroyed by Neo seeing the "creator" and people or whatever they were creating there own programs, a keymaker, etc.
all imho-oc
oh, and they made Neo too bloody powerful!
he didn't had to make any choices too
i dont think his powers where exagerated or anything i think the fit him well because him being the one paralles to him being god so he can do anything he want and anything he pleases those poweres suit him perfectly and i like the point that chico brought up about the ear piece that makes sense but also they are linked together some how so they both kinda have the same powers just like good and evil(god and the devil)
sorry i have missed out on the thread for a little while. I think that the reason Morpheus did so much better versus an upgraded agent is because if you play basketball with micheal jordan everyday you will get better, if you get what i mean (morpheus and neo) also here is a new theory i have. the french dude and his henchmen are the previous "ones" (judging by what some of the characters had said). some one had said that early but i thought to myself then they would have to be thousands of years old. so i then thought being the one is actually a program the architect came up with and implanted into people, an idea that was also previous mentioned. but when those individuals died, the program in them continued, being uploaded by the matrix. now neo has been programed to be the one, but what the architect doesnt realise is that the one cant be artificially created hence accounting for the single variable in his equations, so not only does Neo have the program for the one, but he is the actual one and he proved that by choosing the wrong door. a little far fetched but i was on the road for awhile today and my mind started to wonder. what do you all think?
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I can't really disagree with you, its true if you play the matrix long enough with Neo your bound to be a little better. Now the fact that merovingian is one of the previous "ones" does seem good I have to disagree after seeing it a few times. Merovingian is a program, in my opinion, and unlike Neo. Now I might be wrong, but it does seem too easy if he is. I might be proven wrong in Revolutions and if so then I will be very suprised.