DCnU Captain Atom vs WBH

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Originally posted by Stoic
Nope I'm not upset about what has happened to Lobo. I just don't have the time to create a new sig at the moment. Plus the Lobo that I have up is by far the best Lobo. I'm also not that invested in who would win between either of these guys, WB Hulk is more powerful than Captain Atom, while Captain Atom is more versatile. Who wins? I really don't know, but at the same time perhaps you could compare WB Hulk to a character that is actually on his level, because Mongul isn't. On the other hand, power, or versatility does not automatically mean win. I was just reminding you that energy drains, and intangibility isn't going to put WB Hulk out of action. Reality warping may.

Never compared WBH to mongul btw.

Also cap is by far more powerful, he manipulates atoms, time, molecules, energy, reality itself.

Atom has absorbed much things much greater than the hulk, he absorbed multiple alternate versions of himself.

Atom stopped flash from moving(which is almost impossible due to his speed force) so i assume if he can manipulate reality on such a large scale that he can stop a controller of the speed force he should be able to drain or stop hulks gamma radiation.

Hulk has been drained before(not WBH) but it still shows that he can be drained.

Atom has given and taken away powers from people, maybe he could even just take away hulks connection to gamma radiation thus reverting hulk to banner.

Cap has a lot of ways to win and he has some killer feats that are in my opinion better then being a big temper tantrum.

Originally posted by Golgo13
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Originally posted by thingy150
Never compared WBH to mongul btw.

Also cap is by far more powerful, he manipulates atoms, time, molecules, energy, reality itself.

Atom has absorbed much things much greater than the hulk, he absorbed multiple alternate versions of himself.

Atom stopped flash from moving(which is almost impossible due to his speed force) so i assume if he can manipulate reality on such a large scale that he can stop a controller of the speed force he should be able to drain or stop hulks gamma radiation.

Hulk has been drained before(not WBH) but it still shows that he can be drained.

Atom has given and taken away powers from people, maybe he could even just take away hulks connection to gamma radiation thus reverting hulk to banner.

Cap has a lot of ways to win and he has some killer feats that are in my opinion better then being a big temper tantrum.

Everything you named has been countered. Every last one of the things you named Cap could do.

Originally posted by carver9
Everything you named has been countered. Every last one of the things you named Cap could do.

How did you counter them? oh ya with speculation.

also you never countered him going back in time and killing banner.

and you never countered him shutting down hulk brain just like havok did.

And Cap has absorbed far more powerful beings than the hulk, he will absorb the gamma radiation.

3 ways he could beat the hulk lets see if you can counter them instead of speculating.

also hulk has zero way to beat atom, you have not even gotten around to making an argument for hulk beating him.

Your comment about him taking Hulk back in time is him grabbing Hulk (which is hilarious since Hulk is far stronger than him. So not only will he have to grab Hulk to achieve this, but, he would have to overpower him, and then fly him through time...laughable but let's continue). I don't think it would work tbh. Here we have Hulk ripping through a glass that is meant to bfr him to another dimension. It didnt work. Do you want to know why it didn't work? Read...

And thats a weakened Hulk. Then you forgot about his recent showing of punching through time.

Let's continue. Lol...Hulk has grown in power significantly since your Havok scan but let me guess, you already knew that (lol). Anyways, Cap attacking Hulks mind is the last thing he should want to do. Reasons (and I want to see fts of Cap TP attacks as well)...

We have the most powerful mind on the planet attacking Hulk. Attacking him to the point that the X-men nearly passed out. Emma was one of those peeps.

Originally posted by carver9
Couldn't find this anywhere but WWH tanks Charles mind attack. It was so powerful that the chain reaction from it temporarily knocked out the entire Xmen roster and Emma was one of the victims.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot21_zpsa7258147.jpg.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot22_zps660c2bec.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6

He also tanked Emma mind attack before hand.

What has Cap absorbed and prove that Cap absorption>Rulks.

Originally posted by thingy150
Never compared WBH to mongul btw.

Also cap is by far more powerful, he manipulates atoms, time, molecules, energy, reality itself.

Atom has absorbed much things much greater than the hulk, he absorbed multiple alternate versions of himself.

Atom stopped flash from moving(which is almost impossible due to his speed force) so i assume if he can manipulate reality on such a large scale that he can stop a controller of the speed force he should be able to drain or stop hulks gamma radiation.

Hulk has been drained before(not WBH) but it still shows that he can be drained.

Atom has given and taken away powers from people, maybe he could even just take away hulks connection to gamma radiation thus reverting hulk to banner.

Cap has a lot of ways to win and he has some killer feats that are in my opinion better then being a big temper tantrum.

That's more versatile, not more powerful. There is a difference. WB Hulk is more powerful, but less versatile than a base level Captain Atom.

The Hulk at a far lower level broke through a time stop. Flash is one thing WB Hulk is another. You claim not to be making comparisons while doing the opposite of your claims. I'm not sure if you are unaware of doing this, but from where I am sitting, this is exactly what you have done, and continue to do.

I'm not sure if WB Hulk can fight off or resist a high level reality manipulator, but is Captain Atom on the level of a Beyonder level character in terms of reality manipulations, or is he at a far lower level? He doesn't have to be at that level, and this is not what i am saying. I'm just wondering if it would be possible for another character to resist his manipulations? The Hulk has a zany history of defying things of that nature. Does Captain Atom manipulate reality, or matter and energy?

WB Hulk is capable of being drained, but that does not stop him from continuing to tap into the Gamma Force. I said this twice already. The reason that the Savage Hulk could not remain at his level while being drained is because he lacked the ability or intellect to tap into the gamma Force like WB hulk was able to. Similarly War Hulk was one of the most powerful Hulk's because he was rigged up with devices that allowed him to tap into the main source of his power.

Atom would be unable to take away Wb Hulk's power through siphoning it, or draining it away, unless he was able to drain off more than the Hulk was consciously capable of drinking up himself. WB Hulk was a power house, and a lot of people don't realize just how powerful he really was. When someone is capable of destroying more than a planet with a punch not directly aimed at the planet, how powerful do you think that character actually is? His physical collateral damage feats, made HP Doomsday look like a 20 pound weakling from where I stood.

Collateral damage isn't the end all be all, but there has to be a point when you have to sit back and acknowledge that it would take a crazy amount of power to do what he did. DOS Doomsday, and Superman blew out windows for miles which nearly killed them. WB Hulk, and Betty blew out planets, and couldn't wait to do it again.

WB Hulk may be able to be beaten by Nate, but I'm just not sure how. On the other hand Nate may get beaten as well, because no character is invincible.

Nate has the speed. What else is he going to do to win? Energy drain isn't going to work, matter manipulation can be argued against. I really don't think it's as clear cut as you might think.

The battle basically depends upon if cap can effect hulks energy, Its either cap wins or hulk will not be able to lay a hand on him.

Captain atom cannot die, so therefore since the thread does not specify he cant lose.

Also i think time travel is a likely option for him defeating the hulk still, if he brings hulk back in time with him then its not BFR so then he kills banner and hulk never existed in the 1st place.

EVEN IF CAP CANT FINISH HULK(which he has a lot of ways to do considering his powers) HULK WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BEAT HIM.

Caps speed/ phasing will make him untouchable so that rules out hulk beating him, even if hulk can hurt intangible beings he cant hurt atom.

ALSO CAP MAY BE ABLE TO STOP HIM FROM TAPPING INTO THE GAMMA FORCE(its a maybe but reality warping could do it)

A blast that can 1 shot mongul(who has stalemated superman) could hurt hulk.

ANOTHER WAY HE COULD WIN, would be for him to freeze the hulk like he did the flash and use his speed to unload multiple of the energy blasts that 1 shotted mongul and overload hulks healing factor and leave no trace of hulk so he will not be able to heal.

Overloading hulks healing factor with speed and time manipulation seems to be one of the more viable options.

To carver. he does not have to grab hulk to send him back in time(he has opened holes in time and space) and even if he had to grab him he is much faster so hulk would not be able to react.

They travel back in time and he kills banner before hulk can even react, hulk does not exist anymore atom wins.

Also another option would be for atom to use his speed/ time manipulation to freeze hulk(like he did flash) and then overload hulks destroy every trace of hulk before his healing factor can kick in.

Originally posted by thingy150
To carver. he does not have to grab hulk to send him back in time(he has opened holes in time and space) and even if he had to grab him he is much faster so hulk would not be able to react.

They travel back in time and he kills banner before hulk can even react, hulk does not exist anymore atom wins.

Also another option would be for atom to use his speed/ time manipulation to freeze hulk(like he did flash) and then overload hulks destroy every trace of hulk before his healing factor can kick in.

Scans. And then show him using it in combat since CIS is on.

Scans of what?

Are you going to ignore the other half of my comment?

Just found the scan, he opens a window in space to see whats happening on earth so its not the feat i thought it was, but he is still faster and he can grab him and take him back in time before he reacts and then he kills banner.

Originally posted by thingy150
Are you going to ignore the other half of my comment?

Scans of him taking someone back in time. Also, he isn't freezing Hulk...I already showed you Hulk fighting past time freeze.

Originally posted by thingy150
Just found the scan, he opens a window in space to see whats happening on earth so its not the feat i thought it was, but he is still faster and he can grab him and take him back in time before he reacts and then he kills banner.

I'm confused. If he grabs WB Hulk and takes him back in time with him, wouldn't WB Hulk still exist? He would just be creating a paradox event.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm confused. If he grabs WB Hulk and takes him back in time with him, wouldn't WB Hulk still exist? He would just be creating a paradox event.

If we go by linear theory, then Captain Atom could take Hulk back in time with him and there would be no creation of a second universe. Furthermore, if CA were to kill past hulk then future hulk would simply cease to exist. This would also mean that this fight never occured because Hulk never existed, thus when CA returns to the future or instantly after killing past hulk CA would be rewritten to fit the new timeline. However, if CA is outside of the time line then he would remain the same regardless of his history being rewritten when hulk's absence.

If we went by multiple string theory then many things could potentially happen such as CA taking hulk into the past, CA then kills past hulk which causes a seperate universe to be created. The original one in which CA took hulk to the past and kill his past self, has the future hulk cease from existing the moment past hulk dies. The new universe that was created has the future hulk continue to exist even though the past hulk died in front of him. Then there would be at third universe created in which the past hulk still survived some how, thus ensuring the survival of the future hulk.

Originally posted by Board Walker
If we go by linear theory, then Captain Atom could take Hulk back in time with him and there would be no creation of a second universe. Furthermore, if CA were to kill past hulk then future hulk would simply cease to exist. This would also mean that this fight never occured because Hulk never existed, thus when CA returns to the future or instantly after killing past hulk CA would be rewritten to fit the new timeline. However, if CA is outside of the time line then he would remain the same regardless of his history being rewritten when hulk's absence.

If we went by multiple string theory then many things could potentially happen such as CA taking hulk into the past, CA then kills past hulk which causes a seperate universe to be created. The original one in which CA took hulk to the past and kill his past self, has the future hulk cease from existing the moment past hulk dies. The new universe that was created has the future hulk continue to exist even though the past hulk died in front of him. Then there would be at third universe created in which the past hulk still survived some how, thus ensuring the survival of the future hulk.

Or we can debate things that we know for sure, because nothing about this theory makes it a solid fact. To top it off, is it in Nate's character to just go around killing people just for the win? Then there's the OP rule of BFR being turned off, which means that they are to remain on the battlefield.

Originally posted by Stoic
Or we can debate things that we know for sure, because nothing about this theory makes it a solid fact. To top it off, is it in Nate's character to just go around killing people just for the win?

Well in DC time traveling is a pretty common thing as is cross universe hopping, and in both cases both linear as well as multiple string theory have been used.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Well in DC time traveling is a pretty common thing as is cross universe hopping, and in both cases both linear as well as multiple string theory have been used.

The problem here is that this is not the DC universe, or the Marvel Universe. They battle in a neutral universe, and if they leave that universe it is a self BFR. BFR is off, so attempting to do this is nullified by a magical force from the Blue Universe. 😄

Originally posted by Stoic
The problem here is that this is not the DC universe, or the Marvel Universe. They battle in a neutral universe, and if they leave that universe it is a self BFR. BFR is off, so attempting to do this is nullified by a magical force from the Blue Universe. 😄

Could CA bring the past Hulk to their present fight, and then kill past hulk there thus eliminating future hulk from the present?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
This guy's using comic vine way of debate lol.

Dcnu C. Atom so far lacks the combat feat to win despite having a good powerset.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
This guy's using comic vine way of debate lol.

Dcnu C. Atom so far lacks the combat feat to win despite having a good powerset.

hulk will win here