Probably. Debates with characters like these rarely last long, and the result will likely be inconclusive. Regardless, I think for the most part it's been a good run--I've more or less done what I came to do, at least.
Expect a reply later this afternoon, Xtasy. It's a little tougher now that I don't have access to my desktop, but my Ipad will suffice.
Mace And Tiin were having a full blown conversation.
Kenobi and Ventress have full blown conversations when they fight, and so do many others.
Accept that.
Not sure if this means you agree or no...
Tiin and Mace were having a conversation and Vos was taken aback by a force push
Did you even look at the scan I posted? Because I have a feeling you didn't.
Just because I'm a virtuous and kind soul, I'll post it for you again:
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Are we agreed that Saesee is Qui-Gon's equal/superior in terms of strength?
lol
Even though I'm not being serious about the whole armor fiasco--that part wasn't a joke. He really wasn't wearing it that day. 😕
Doesn't that take place five months after Geonesis? Weren't most of Maces feats in TCW done a couple of months before ROTS?
1.) No, the Battle of Ryloth is less than a year after Geonosis, and that's where all of Mace's best TK feats are at.
2.) Is there any evidence at all to support Mace becoming a significantly more powerful Force User over the course of the war?
True enough.
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How is his blade dipping mean that he got mind-wrecked by Sidious?
You're right, that was only what I garnered from the scene. To me it seemed like subtle, but intentional hint from the author that *something* had happened to him.
Either way, the only other explanation is that he let his guard down, and that's why he lets his blade fall, which is just as well.
In a passive way, would the Situation not change in combat?
I wouldn't think so. Instead of fully probing his mind, Saesee only needs to catch stray monosyllabic thoughts that are unconsciously produced by even those who fight purely on reflex.
Sorry for the shortness of the response, my PC is dying atm.
Heh, no problem. I'm replying from a mobile device, so mine's probably ended up even shorter.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kenobi and Ventress have full blown conversations when they fight, and so do many others.
Difference they're[Kenobi and Ventress] not talking about what they think a certain character's leadership.
Not sure if this means you agree or no...
I mean't to say "except that" 😮
Did you even look at the scan I posted? Because I have a feeling you didn't.
I saw, but isn't that the same comic where Quinlan gets wrecked by mace with TK?
Are we agreed that Saesee is Qui-Gon's equal/superior in terms of strength?
Except, Tiin hasn't broken through a sword - which are made of a cortosis weave(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/12/124590/3936565-image.jpg)
Nor did he send a man flying back into a Metal wall with enough force to literally break it(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/12/124590/3936546-image+%2813%29.jpg)
Even though I'm not being serious about the whole armor fiasco--that part wasn't a joke. He really wasn't wearing it that day. 😕
lol, he's rarely seen with it though, so - at least in my opinion, that wont come into play.
1.) No, the Battle of Ryloth is less than a year after Geonosis, and that's where all of Mace's best TK feats are at.
right right, sorry. I was just checking
2.) Is there any evidence at all to support Mace becoming a significantly more powerful Force User over the course of the war?
3 years from ATOC to ROTS is quite a lot time no?
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You're right, that was only what I garnered from the scene. To me it seemed like subtle, but intentional hint from the author that *something* had happened to him.Either way, the only other explanation is that he let his guard down, and that's why he lets his blade fall, which is just as well.
Also seeing as how in both occasions where he uses his Telepathy he has to focus(let down his guard) or is sitting and having a casual conversation. I doubt this will be that applicable in combat.
I wouldn't think so. Instead of fully probing his mind, Saesee only needs to catch stray monosyllabic thoughts that are unconsciously produced by even those who fight purely on reflex.
Yeah, that's a fair assessment, I would think
Heh, no problem. I'm replying from a mobile device, so mine's probably ended up even shorter.
It may be a late response, but it's a response nonetheless 😛
In closing. Jinn is much faster, possesses equal - if not superior strength and his skill with the blade allowed him to contend with maul for a long time and defeat Xanatos - this all accomplished despite the fact that he was not that suited to use Ataru and his more advanced age. Yet despite all these obstacles he was able to keep up with much younger and more energetic opponents.
Difference they're not talking about what they think a certain character's leadership.
And... Why does this matter again?
I saw, but isn't that the same comic where Quinlan gets wrecked by mace with TK?
Yep. Mace is startled to see Vos use a Vaapad maneuver and TKs him later on. I'm not sure why you brought it up, since it in no way diminishes my point.
Except, Tiin hasn't broken through a sword - which are made of a cortosis weave
Of course he hasn't, but that doesn't mean he couldn't. Qui-Gon hasn't stopped moving speeders either.
Also, proof that the sword was compromised of Cortosis?
Nor did he send a man flying back into a Metal wall with enough force to literally break it
That does not look like metal to me.
3 years from ATOC to ROTS is quite a lot time no?
So?
I doubt this will be that applicable in combat.
Except that he literally tells us that he can and has used it in combat, and that it gives him a distinct edge against his fellow Jedi. 😬
Jinn is much faster,
Not convinced. His speed feats are somewhat better, but not to the degree that you're trying to imply.
Besides, because of his traits as a telepath, Saesee's reaction times are quicker than Jinn's as well. I don't see speed being a definitive factor in the fight tbh.
possesses equal - if not superior strength
Disagreed, but like the above they're close enough here that it's negligible anyways.
His skill with the blade allowed him to contend with Maul
And Saesee's allowed him to contend with Mace. And as much as you can say about the validity of a sparring match, the comparison between Vos's and Saesee's performances remains fairly solid. Quinlan has plenty of high-tier saber feats by this point. Saesee's performance in sparring ring with Windu remains solidly better than his own. There's really not much getting around that.
All accomplished despite the fact that he was not that suited to use Ataru and his more advanced age.
You keep mentioning this as if these disadvantages wouldn't be present here as well. It's admirable, sure, but makes no difference to the fight itself.
Anyway, differences in their physical attributes appear to be more or less nil. What it really comes down to is Qui-Gon having greater finesse and Saesee having greater power. I still stand by the notion that they're give or take evenly matched.
