Beyonder vs LT

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

As we don't see DCs logo and they didn't even dare to draw or name the Spectre.
That I don't see you as someone who can teach and that I think that I can't trust your opinion. That is actually not gibberish but a fact, as it is truly my opinion. Or are you now not only the one who decides for DC what they are and decided what writers are wrong but also what I think?
That is really dumb, even by your standards.

Obviously we see two, and you even admitted it in the bio, more than this you said yourself:

Anywho, you'll have to concede to this cause it's a fact:

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The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉

Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

So, without question, the LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

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(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead two separate companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.

Originally posted by Mr Master
O ... k. I just realized that this discussion should've ended pages back but I didnt simply highlight the specific that ends this debate.

Anywho, you'll have to concede to this cause it's a fact:

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The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉

Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

So, without question, the [b]LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

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(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead two separate companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidetally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever. [/B]

You still miss the point, completely. This is not DC offical stance. DC is it's own Omniverse, on panel, in comics multiple times and branded with the DC logo and not some inofficial stuff someone writes, and as YOU already wrote Marvel has it's own Omniverse. Those Megaverses were not DC and both belong to Marvel. Simple as that. Snood isn't even sure about anything and this online Bio is not valid for DC, as DC has it's own approach to it's Omniverse. Simple. I see what you want to say, I understand it and I disagree to 100%. I prefer DC official version, that DC is an Omniverse and not a Megaverse in Marvel, this is also something you admitted.

So, I see you just skipped my post and went into repeat mode. Someone predicted this. I should've known.

Originally posted by Mr Master

So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead two separate companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, I see you just skipped my post and went into repeat mode.

Fin.

Ok and this other line of comics is what company? Because if it doesn't exist in real life and if it also doesn't belong to the Marvel company, then it is still part of the Marvel company.

It can't be DC as Marvel is not the owner of DC comics, and DC comics is officialy it's own Omniverse.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Ok and this other line of comics is what company?

The only story I've seen two Brothers like this was in DC vs Marvel.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Because if it doesn't exist in real life and if it also doesn't belong to the Marvel company, then it is still part of the Marvel company.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

It can't be DC

That was Mike Carlin (DC's Executive Editor)
and 3 Writers of the original DC vs Marvel mini, (posted their names already)
plus Jeff Christiansen who is Marvel's Head Handbook writer since 2004.

All you need to do is email them with your qualms.

I was only ever conveying the idea they established concerning this subject.
It all made sense with the on panel depictions ambiguous as they were.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How should I know. You're the one that's discounting the only possible candidate.

The only story I've seen two Brothers like this was in DC vs Marvel.

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I never said it was.

That was Mike Carlin, DC's Executive Editor,
and 3 Writers of the original DC vs Marvel mini, (posted their names already)
plus Jeff Christiansen who is Marvel's Head Handbook writer since 2004.

All you need to do is email them with your qualms.

There is no possible candidate, DC is it's own Omniverse. That is the reason why no "rogue" writer, as you put it, can use Spectre in an Marvel only book.

So you didn't said it was, ok good, progress. So we agree it isn't the DC verse.

And since it doesn't represents another company that Marvel owns (or do they?) it is part of the Marvel Company, their own Ominverse, and there we agree also, that DC has it's own Omniverse and Marvel has it's own.

Let's breat it down.

1. According to you it isn't the DC Verse, I agree with this, as DC sees itself as it's own Omniverse and not a Megaverse in Marvel. DCs official stance, in comics from DC.

2. According to you, Marvel is it's own Omniverse. I agree with it, also with the already mentioned stance of yours that DC isn't a Megaverse in Marvels Omniverse.

3. According to you those two Brothers are Megaverses though, one of them being the complete Marvel Megaverse and the other one being another line of comics of a company that doesn't exists or at least can't be DC (by default because of your first two statements). I agree, though if this other line of Comics, has no equivalent in Real Life and is owned by Marvel comics, it means it is purely fictional, by logic and hence only part of that comic it was published in.

So all in all we agree. 👆

^i'm curious: you're factually right, of course, about the legality of what you're saying. but looking at intent--do you really think anyone reading that book was NOT suppose to understand the rather blatant allusions that were made regarding both the spectre, the brothers and what they were intended to represent?

Originally posted by leonidas
^i'm curious: you're factually right, of course, about the legality of what you're saying. but looking at intent--do you really think anyone reading that book was NOT suppose to understand the rather blatant allusions that were made regarding both the spectre, the brothers and what they were intended to represent?

Of course I see the implication and what it is supposed to be. But as I personally would prefer a shared Omniverse of all comic companies, honesly, but with an established cosmic hierarchy and no company having things like Omniversal beings, I am confident enough to say that DC isn't officially a Megaverse in this Marvel Omniverse. And not only because DC vs Marvel isn't canon. If this would come from a crossover I would have MrMs stance but it isn't it is a onesided approach from Marvels side and not verfied officially by DC and thus invalid.

That is all. Not canon and not official.

Beyonder.

Lt doesn't have combat feats and I heard he doesn't even lift.

^^that's fine. but it seems you're a little hung up on the term omniverse and what it means to both. the terminology is fluid. i'm not sure why you think dc has to be considered a megaverse WITHIN marvel though, just because of that scan. doesn't it make more sense to think lt is just LOOKING at the battle that was to come? like using a crystal ball to spy on a realm that, as the brothers battled, was actually SHARED by both companies? i mean he does go out of the way to say he needs to use some transdimensional communication to reach spectre. if he really was just holding the dc megaverse in his hand, why not just find the spectre and tell him.....?

your opinion is your own. it just seems you're looking at it from a purely black and white perspective and leaving out the actual intent of the book itself... [shrug]

Originally posted by leonidas
[chrug]

a chrug is what you get when you can't type to begin with and you are simultaneously trying to listen to the radio. i think all the cool kids will be using it soon. 😖rup:

No leonidas, i'm not huhu

pfft, you say that now...... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
a chrug is what you get when you can't type to begin with and you are simultaneously trying to listen to the radio. i think all the cool kids will be using it soon. 😖rup:

Originally posted by leonidas
^^that's fine. but it seems you're a little hung up on the term omniverse and what it means to both. the terminology is fluid. i'm not sure why you dc has to be considered a megaverse WITHIN marvel though, just because of that scan. couldn't let just be LOOKING at the battle that was to come? like using a crystal ball to spy on a realm that, as the brothers battled, was actually SHARED by both companies? i mean he does go out of the way to say he needs to use some transdimensional communication to reach spectre. if he really was just holding the dc megaverse in his hand, why not just find the spectre and tell him.....?

your opinion is your own. it just seems you're looking at it from a purely black and white perspective and leaving out the actual intent of the book itself... [chrug]

Because it is in an Marvel only book and contradics the Marvel vs DC Comics.

I will throw you a third possiblity. Since Marvels vs DC is not canon, a third Megaverse could be the shared one where DC and Marvel can interact, which is always considered non canon. But even then Marvel couldn't change something without DC.

^ah, k, i get what you're saying now. but he did nothing until he conferred with spectre. i guess when i read the book, i just assumed it was a plan lt AND spectre evolved together. i never made the assumption that lt directly created the brothers for whatever reason....

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

There is no possible candidate, DC is it's own Omniverse. That is the reason why no "rogue" writer, as you put it, can use Spectre in an Marvel only book.

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21525003_Mike_Carlin2.jpg] 😛

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

So you didn't said it was, ok good, progress. So we agree it isn't the DC verse.
And since it doesn't represents another company that Marvel owns (or do they?) it is part of the Marvel Company, their own Ominverse, and there we agree also, that DC has it's own Omniverse and Marvel has it's own.
Let's breat it down.

1. According to you it isn't the DC Verse, I agree with this, as DC sees itself as it's own Omniverse and not a Megaverse in Marvel. DCs official stance, in comics from DC.
2. According to you, Marvel is it's own Omniverse. I agree with it, also with the already mentioned stance of yours that DC isn't a Megaverse in Marvels Omniverse.
3. According to you those two Brothers are Megaverses though, one of them being the complete Marvel Megaverse and the other one being another line of comics of a company that doesn't exists or at least can't be DC (by default because of your first two statements). I agree, though if this other line of Comics, has no equivalent in Real Life and is owned by Marvel comics, it means it is purely fictional, by logic and hence only part of that comic it was published in.

There's only one thing I'll address and it's you saying I said, "Marvel is it's own Omniverse" ...

When I reiterated sevaral times in this thread to you directly even
that this revelation was made official in the 2007 Handbooks.

Therefore it does not interrupt the Marvel established official facts I've presented of 2006 and before.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

So all in all we agree.

^ît is ok, the Marvel facts are no interest of mine if it comes to the DC facts. We agree, so it is ok.

Originally posted by leonidas
^ah, k, i get what you're saying now. but he did nothing until he conferred with spectre. i guess when i read the book, i just assumed it was a plan lt AND spectre evolved together. i never made the assumption that lt directly created the brothers for whatever reason....

Yep. So LT didn't create DC Brother nor the DC Verse. My point. ^^

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

ok, the Marvel facts are no interest of mine if it comes to the DC facts.

We agree, so it is ok.

I can't believe he actually manipulated the power of Two comic book companies in one hand.

Wonder which other company is battling Marvel?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Yep. So LT didn't create DC Brother nor the DC Verse. My point. ^^

That over-sized scan didn't change that fact.