Beyonder vs LT

Originally posted by Mr Master
Obviously it had DC's consent, otherwise, he wouldn't have done it.

Also, that is DC's "consent" ... what ever the Executive Editor says, ... goes.

Obviously it doesn't as it lacks, the Spectre, by name and drawing and most important of all the DC logo. The Editor works for a company, he is not the company and can't decide something if the company doesn't agrees, which is obvious again by the lack of the DC logo next to the Marvel one.

Originally posted by Mr Master

According to those Handbooks, Marvel was a single Megaverse.

So, the LT held Two Marvel companies. nice, and wrong.

But we see two Megaverses. On panel comic showing > bios.

Two Megaverses in the Marvel Omniverse. Nice try though.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I'm not, it's just the circle is tiring.
Anything of signifcance will be replied to, anything else, ignored.

I will keep on correcting you, no worries.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Obviously it doesn't as it lacks, the Spectre, by name and drawing and most important of all the DC logo. The Editor works for a company, he is not the company and can't decide something

That's the guy who dictates what takes place on panel.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

But we see two Megaverses. On panel comic showing > bios.

Uhm homie, the only reason the term "megaverse" is attached to these Brothers, is because of the bios.

... ouch ... you walked right into that one.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

I will keep on correcting you, no worries.

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Wrong thread.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually [b]Executive Editor, but who's counting.

That's the guy who dictates what takes place on panel.
[/B]

He can't dictate anything without DC allowing him to, hence the missing logo on the Marvel book and the lack of Spectre.

Or why wasn't spectre drawn and named?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Really? Where is it stated "on panel" those are two "megaverses?"

Uhm homie, the only reason the term "megaverse" is attached to these Brothers, is because of the bios.

... ouch ... you walked right into that one.

Whatever fantasies makes you happy. [/B]

So even the bios disagree with your stance that there is only one Megaverse in Marvel? Nice. So according to your bio, we see two Megaverses in a Marvel book and one of them represents the Marvel U while the other represents something else which is still a part of the Marvel Omniverse. 👆 Good job proving that Marvel is it's own Omniverse, with multiple Megaverses.
Or better said, the fictive Marvel U (like the 4th wall) and other fictional companies are still Marvel made and hence part of the Marvel Omniverse.

Oh, I am glad I can help you ^^.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Wrong thread.

newb

Oh and here another instance where we see on panel that there are more than one Megaverse within Marvel.

^ I already mentioned that one. He believes that it's a reference from a rogue writer.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I've only seen 3 personally.
And the most powerful thing across one of those mutliverses was a global power.

There are others who have more than Global power. Other multiverses like Transformers has universal, and Doctor Who has implied to have omniversal ones.

Originally posted by Mr Master

That, and the fact that there are no Eternities/Infinites or Cosmic powers in any other multiverse.

This is the major reason why we'll probably Never see the LT in another multiverse.

Heck, even Kaminiski (who's the only writer fitting LT into a multi-Multiversal arena in the FF Annual)
had Kubik/Kosmos journey all of Marvel,
and interestingly enough, it was the Multiverse and the Beyond Realm.

Again, aside from the mysterious BeyonderS in their super huge realm, everything else outside is inconsequential.

There are cosmic powers, just not ones we are familiar with in the mainstream multiverse (Eternity/Infinity/etc..)

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Oh and here another instance where we see on panel that there are more than one Megaverse within Marvel.

Asteroth was clearly referring to the entire Marvel continuum(the omniverse) with that statement:
"Soon ALL the universeS, multiverseS and megaverseS will be mine!"

Originally posted by Galan007
Asteroth was clearly referring to the entire Marvel continuum(the omniverse) with that statement:
"Soon [b]ALL the universeS, multiverseS and megaverseS will be mine!" [/B]

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

He can't dictate anything without DC allowing him to, hence the missing logo on the Marvel book and the lack of Spectre.

Or why wasn't spectre drawn and named?

This is something I can't answer I admit.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

So even the bios disagree with your stance that there is only one Megaverse in Marvel? Nice. So according to your bio, we see two Megaverses in a Marvel book and one of them represents the Marvel U while the other represents something else which is still a part of the Marvel Omniverse. Good job proving that Marvel is it's own Omniverse, with multiple Megaverses.

Marvel officially still considered itself a "Megaverse" even into the LT's bio of 2006.

The 2005 Handbooks clarified this:

The LT's bio (2006) doesn't dismiss this ... but I, my bad, somehow did.

In fact, it goes on to corroborate the 2005 bio by defining a Megaverse in the same way,
and even directly tells us "there is only one omniverse."

So, it wasn't until the late 2007 bios where we learn TOAA created an Omniverse.

Therefore the LT's 2006 bio is referring to something else.
Oh right, that would be the original Brothers.
Like the Head Handbook writer, and the 3 wrters of DC vs Marvel stated.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Oh, I am glad I can help you.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Oh and here another instance where we see on panel that there are more than one Megaverse within Marvel.

That's the only time you'll ever see that claimed on panel.

Heh, you noticed opr616 mention that name and you quickly google it for images.

But you probably don't know about Asteroth.

That's from the Stormbreaker arc, ol' Aste is a universal power who was owned by a black hole.

So the statement is hyperbole, and no wonder, it was Michael Oeming. (writer)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know. Why wasn't Mxyzptlk called such in IM's bio?
We know they're referring to him, yet, they shadow the name with "mixed pickles."

This is something I can't answer I admit.

Simple. They can use Spectre because they lack the rights to do so, they don#t have DCs permission, the same is true for the DC Brother and the DC Verse, that someone who works for DC works also for that will never change the fact. Glad I could enlighten you.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Although the term "omniverse" was being thrown around in Marvel even before 2007,

Marvel officially still considered itself a "Megaverse" even into the LT's bio of 2006.

The 2005 Handbooks clarified this:

The LT's bio (2006) doesn't dismiss this ... but I, my bad, somehow did.

In fact, it goes on to corroborate the 2005 bio by defining a Megaverse in the same way,
and even directly tells us "there is only one omniverse."

So, it wasn't until the late 2007 bios where we learn TOAA created an Omniverse.

Therefore the LT's 2006 bio is referring to something else.
Oh right, that would be the original Brothers.
Like the Head Handbook writer, and the 3 wrters of DC vs Marvel stated.

Oh, I am glad I can teach you.

Don't worry I don't see you as someone who is capable to teach, your logic is too faulty for my taste as seen in this thread and I know I can trust your "opinion" and cherrypicked scans.

So, we see LT having two Megaverses, which are only Marvels, we know that t can be DC as it is it's own Omniverse. Wanda never affected DC just Marvels Omniverse, Superman saved only DCs Omniverse and not Marvels.

Glad we cleared that up, that Marvel is it's own Omniverse and DC isn't a Megaverse in it. Feels good to admit it doesn't it? ^^

And the scan I showed you confirms that Marvels has Megaverses, that is more than enough. On panel. gg

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Simple. They can use Spectre because they lack the rights to do so, they don#t have DCs permission, the same is true for the DC Brother and the DC Verse, that someone who works for DC works also for that will never change the fact.

Since he was you know, the big boss an all concerning on panel shit.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Don't worry I don't see you as someone who is capable to teach, your logic is too faulty for my taste as seen in this thread and I know I can trust your "opinion" and cherrypicked scans.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

So, we see LT having two Megaverses, which are only Marvels, we know that t can be DC as it is it's own Omniverse.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Glad we cleared that up, that Marvel is it's own Omniverse and DC isn't a Megaverse in it. Feels good to admit it doesn't it?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

And the scan I showed you confirms that Marvels has Megaverses, that is more than enough. On panel.

A single writer contradicting everything else. In 2005 no less. lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
Mike Carlin was "DC's permission."

Since he was you know, the big boss an all concerning on panel shit.

Gibberish, to quote you. As we don't see DCs logo and they didn't even dare to draw or name the Spectre.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Gibberish.

That I don't see you as someone who can teach and that I think that I can't trust your opinion. That is actually not gibberish but a fact, as it is truly my opinion. Or are you now not only the one who decides for DC what they are and decided what writers are wrong but also what I think? 😂
That is really dumb, even by your standards.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Yet, Marvel was only ONE Megaverse. 😂

Obviously we see two, and you even admitted it in the bio, more than this you said yourself:

Originally posted by Mr Master

I never claimed/stated DC was anything inside Marvel's omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master

as soon as Marvel explicitely stated it had it's own Omniverse in 2007.

Originally posted by Mr Master

😐 ... You love to toot your own horn.

I didn't see any "megaverseS" ... all I saw was a universal power hyperboling.

A single writer contradicting everything else. In 2005 no less. lol

So again PIS. I know now how you work. You have your opinion, everything that contradicts is, is PIS, should be ignored and all, but implications, lack of official status (because DC is seeing itself as it's own Omniverse) is a fact.... wow

Originally posted by operator616
I get your point, and even though i think that the Sheriff analogy is inapplicable to LT's - and any cosmic character's - case, consider this: Do you honestly believe that the LT who was exhibiting megaversal-level powers in the late 90s is on the same level as the one who was struggling against Nebulos pre-SW2?

Just saying.

Also, you're looking for an official statement regarding LT's amp. But that's not how things always work in comics. Silver Age Spectre never got any official amp from his Golden Age days. Yet, anyone who actually read those eras, would tell you that there is a significant difference between their respective power-levels. Same thing goes to Mangog, Ion, etc...The amp doesn't have to be stated. As long as it's observable, it can be applied. You get my point?.

well, as regards your lt question about nebulos, i'd say yeah, he'd likely struggle just as much--lt suffers from pis like any other character from time to time. of course, he might not. like sometimes a hero does well against a villain, and other times he/she has a hard time. i'm curious though--at which point exactly do you see him having received this amp--from that adv of xmen book? or sometime before that? and what 'observable' feat do you use that would indicate to you he is more powerful?

the thing is, it's not like this new 'territory' he's responsible for just....spontaneously appeared and he became more powerful because of it. i guess i don't see where you and the others are drawing the conclusion that his power is based on his purview. so, if a universe is destroyed, does he LOSE power too? his power/authority has always been assumed to come from toaa. it still does. so why would he need MORE power when he has that? you think because he is now responsible for more, toaa GAVE him more power? i don't see that, nor do i see a reason for him to.

mutliversal cosmics EMBODY concepts. so yeah, they grow in power the more they 'embody'. lt isn't an abstract as far as i'm concerned, so maybe THAT is why we see this differently? if you're looking at him as abstract then i CAN see why you think the way you do. like i said, i don't. imo he doesn't embody a concept. he IS the judge. he's not the conceptual realization of judgment though. he doesn't have his power because he embodies anything. he was created by toaa and GIVEN power. he didn't gather power by accumulating it via any concept. least not imo. he sits above concepts, he doesn't embody one himself.

all that said, i guess there's a chance you could be right. ultimately the issue is subjective to an extent. it just seems needlessly complex, and while you may feel there is an observable difference in this...post-omniversal lt (??), i don't see any differences at all. some of his best feats i think are still his earliest appearances. to me without some type of proof that he IS more powerful, or some proof that hls power is tied into the territories over which he oversees, i see no reason at all to assume he has been amped. [shrug]

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Gibberish, to quote you.

You stated you were "glad to help me" so I replied I was happy to teach you.
Then you insulted me cause I dared to reciprocate the same sarcasm:

I'm 'incapable of teaching you, my logic is too faulty as you've seen in this thread, you can't trust my opinion or cherrypicked scans'

Mind you, everything I've defended comes from Marvel comics.
Unlike yourself who continues to repeat, 'no, no Marvel can't do that blah, blah.' (no proof to supprot though)

At-least I have Marvel declaring what I'm saying, it's not like I'm pulling this idea out of the air.

Anyway, I never said Marvel can do anything, I'm just presenting what happened.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I only use that term when I'm being offended.

You stated you were "glad to help me" so I replied I was happy to teach you.
Then you insulted me cause I dared to reciprocate the same sarcasm:

I'm 'incapable of teaching you, my logic is too faulty as you've seen in this thread, you can't trust my opinion or cherrypicked scans'

Mind you, everything I've defended comes from Marvel comics.
Unlike yourself who continues to repeat, 'no, no Marvel can't do that blah, blah.' (no proof to supprot though)

At-least I have Marvel declaring what I'm saying, it's not like I'm pulling this idea out of the air.

Anyway, I never said Marvel can do anything, I'm just presenting what happened.

I have proof though, the lack of DC logo and DC seeing itself as it's own Omniverse. You even admitted that Marvel is it's own Omniverse.

So yes, your stuff comes from Marvel and NOT from DC, which makes it inavlid and not official for DC. Spectre was never in the X-Men Adventure #12 for example.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

I have proof though,
the lack of DC logo and DC seeing itself as it's own Omniverse.
You even admitted that Marvel is it's own Omniverse.

Marvel has it's own "omniverse," but I also stated that this reality became official in 2007.

Before that it was officially a Megaverse.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

So yes, your stuff comes from Marvel and NOT from DC,
which makes it inavlid and not official for DC.
Spectre was never in the X-Men Adventure #12 for example.

So long as you realized that the two megaverses were actually two separate lines of comics.

Originally posted by leonidas

the thing is, it's not like this new 'territory' he's responsible for just....
spontaneously appeared and he became more powerful because of it.

i guess i don't see where you and the others are drawing the conclusion
that his power is based on his purview.

so, if a universe is destroyed, does he LOSE power too?